Herb Steven’s Winter Forecast (2008-2009)

Herb Steven’s has issued his forecast for the winter. It’s long and ponderous and short on cool graphics. Looks like he is with the majority of pro mets for the east…cold December, warming sometime in January and into Feb and then colder for the finish. Following are excepts from his Snowcounty.com Blog.


SnowcountryI am confident that the season will get off to a strong start in the East, with cold air having arriving today…November 16th. That cold will remain in place all week, and while Thanksgiving Week will not be quite as cold, the snowmakers will be able to continue the big effort during the week of the 17th. Lake effect snow will be plentiful this week, and resorts in upstate New York and portions of northern Vermont will be the primary recipients of some early season snow. The East could see more in the way of accumulating snow during the week of the 24th, when some of that Pacific energy will help create a stormy pattern where the upper level low remains in place in the East. In December, the analog years all suggest a colder than normal run-up to the holidays from the Carolinas to Quebec, and I am very bullish on the prospects for both surface conditions and terrain options later in the month.

The change to a warmer East… should be in place by mid January, and I believe that will be the general pattern through much of February. In the Northeast, snowfall should be adequate during the second half of the season… I think that the warmer than normal weather will continue into March in much of the East, I also think that there will be a late season reversal to colder and snowier weather. The warmth will be of such a magnitude that snow will still be falling north of Interstate 90…similar to last year…

The East will see its’ most consistent snow and cold during the first half of the season, with a January thaw a good bet, although it will not be the extended version like we saw two years ago. The Northeast will enjoy a good number of skiing and riding options by Thanksgiving, and the Christmas holiday prospects are excellent. The second half of the season will not be as cold or snowy, but by mid March, a pattern change will bring a strong finish to the season across the north.

Accuweather Long Range Winter Forecast 2008-09


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We don’t put too much stock in long range forecasting and Joe Bastardi was really off-base last year. But to some extent, it’s all about the fantasy. Today, AccuWeather.com Chief Long-Range Forecaster Joe Bastardi released his 2008-09 Winter Season Forecast addressing issues of average temperature and precipitation impacting the nation. His forecast calls for one of the coldest winters in several years across much of the East.

AccuWeather’s Joe Bastardi Forecasts Coldest Winter in Five Years:

The core of cold was centered across the Great Plains last year but is expected to be farther east this year. Bastardi says the winter of 2008-2009 will be viewed as the hardest in several years. “It may be a shock to some when compared with the above-average temperatures of last year in the East. It will put some ‘brrrrrr’ in the saddle of folks who have not had to deal with such things for a while,” he cautions.

“In the eastern half of the nation, people will look at the winter as bookends of cold,” Bastardi said. He says the overall colder and snowier winter will be off to a cold start in December with perhaps the roughest winter month for much of the nation. It may finish with another cold spell in late January and February.

Powderfreak’s Forecast for New Years


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From Scott Braaten aka Powderfreak: The snow worked out a little better than planned at the lower elevations today…I’m surprised there were so many 3″ or greater amounts in generally valley locations. Most resorts should be reporting a general 3-7″ tomorrow morning. That’s pretty good news.

1) Friday night and Saturday’s event looks like a moderate snowfall with amounts of 4-7″ in the Green Mtns from SB/MRG northward and eastward (1-4″ Adirondacks and BTV). An isolated higher amount is still possible just north of the sleet mixing line, which I still think will be in the vicinity of Glens Falls-Rutland-Lebanon. I think I posted earlier this week that MRG/SB region looks like the bullseye and I’m sticking with that…but man is this a tough call with sleet/freezing rain not far away. Just an FYI, the NWS has included sleet all the way to northern Vermont. This very well may be correct but I just don’t see the warm air penetrating that far north.

All these mixed precipitation events are starting to make me pull my hair out. South of the mixing line I laid out above, anywhere from 1-5″ can be expected with a topping of sleet or ice. For those outside of Vermont, that 4-7″ band will stretch across the northern half of NH and ME including areas like Cannon, Wildcat, and Sugarloaf.

2) Sunday Night and Monday’s system is still a big question mark. Does the surface low get captured enough to hug the coast to some degree? European says yes with a moderate snow event…GFS is the exact opposite and is almost partly cloudy as the low moves eastward off the mid-Atlantic coast. The NAM is with the GFS. I can’t deny the American models and will forecast some light accumulating snow on Monday as the upper level trough swings through…but the possibility for something more is there.

3) The good news is that we’ve got some snowfall over the next 4 days and then an arctic surge with sub-zero nights and teens during the day. There are some indications of persistent upslope snowfall as this arctic air pours in on Tuesday and Wednesday. This could add several inches of fluffy snow across all upslope favored areas. Dry and cold on Thurs/Fri.

Bad news is that we are going to warm up big time starting Saturday January 5th. Big time and for at least a week. The models continue to show ugly, ugly heights and 850mb temperatures of up to +10C (50F!), possibly into northern New England. 50F at summit level is trouble and would mean a 60F+ day at BTV is not out of the question later in the week towards the 12th. We will average well above average from the 5th through the 12th and if there is a silver lining in this, its that its a mild/dry pattern not a mild/wet pattern.

This is our January thaw and it might feel more like late March or early April during the later part of that week. One other saving grace is very cold air in far northern Canada which could keep low level cool air in the north country under an inversion as strong 850mb SW winds warm the upper elevations.

I don’t want to sound like doomsday but prepare for a more serious thaw…maybe even enjoy a few warm, sunny days like they are spring days. At least we’ve got a snowpack that isn’t isothermal so we’ll keep something around. The cold still looks to return later in January…though I’ve got a feeling that’ll be delayed. But it will come back. Enjoy whatever happens because a day in the mountains is still twice as good as a day anywhere else. -Scott