The New Normal

[tirolski]

Same. I get headaches every. single. day. since I had covid. I never had gotten them before. I pound Tylenol like they're M&M's

Dang. Long haulers is a thing. And not good.
SARS-CoV2 can cause more than respiratory troubles, but it’s named for it.

 

[Harvey]

Same. I get headaches every. single. day. since I had covid. I never had gotten them before. I pound Tylenol like they're M&M's

I have vertigo, but that seems to be getting better now.

I had a fever come on a few weeks ago, brutal chills and I was like "ut oh" here we go again. It went away in about a day, and I tested negative. It felt exactly like the original onset of covid, but who knows. I was wondering if I got a variant and beat it quick because of some immunity from the first time.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Dang. Long haulers is a thing. And not good.

I'm hoping they go away just like they showed up, out of nowhere. My Doc says they can last for months.

 

[JohnF]

'Long-Haulers' Are Finding Relief After Getting Their COVID-19 Vaccine

An estimated 10% to 30% of people who get COVID-19 don't fully recover, but have chronic symptoms. Now some of these "long-haulers" are finding relief after getting the COVID-19 vaccine.

www.npr.org

 

[Campgottagopee]

That's what I'm hoping for once I get me second shot next week ^^^^^^^^ ?

 

[Warp daddy]

That's what I'm hoping for once I get me second shot next week ^^^^^^^^ ?

Sure hoping you feel much better , damn you and harv both been thru some shit with this .

 

[MC2]

My buddy built his house in 2020
It isn't even a year old yet and the materials are triple the cost. All I'm saying is....

I love it when someone tells camp a reason for something, then he just says “All I know is...” and doesn’t take into account any new information that he is given, preferring instead to just make uninformed base observations about the world around him, completely incurious as to why things are the way they are.

I guess you can go too far in the other direction, though. Americans specifically (including people in this thread), seem to have no idea about basic facts on the virus (https://fee.org/articles/americans-...zation-from-covid-19-survey-shows-here-s-why/). It probably has to do with the sensationalist media, which amplifies man-bites-dog stories (“this 20-year old DIED!”, “this long hauler STILL CAN’T SMELL”, etc.) and not the normal stories (“this dude got it, had a sore throat, then got over it”). Even today, NPR had a doctor on that said that the 60,000 cases (in a country of 350,000,000) is terrible & alarming and that everyone should hunker down, even if they are vaccinated.

I think we have to have a more positive attitude here. Every day, good news comes out about the virus (today: Pfizer’s vaccine is 100% effective for kids aged 12-15 and Pfizer & Moderna have shown that the vaccines cut both infection AND transmission) and every day I just hear doom & gloom. It’s wild.

Take a break from the news sometimes, guys. Go outside. Read a book. Fly a kite.

Note: I got my second vax shot last week you suckers so maybe I’m just feeling invincible.

 

[Campgottagopee]

I love it when someone tells camp a reason for something, then he just says “All I know is...” and doesn’t take into account any new information that he is given, preferring instead to just make uninformed base observations about the world around him, completely incurious as to why things are the way they are.

Sorry D-bag

I'm not getting into politics with anyone, and that's the direction that conversation was going to go, so I dismissed it. You too can fuck off.

 

[MarzNC]

If Eastern remedies are valid, that can be proven by science. Most of the evidence for Eastern medicine seems to be the same kind is internet rumors that fuel the whole anti-vax ignorance, which started long before the new COVID vaccines. COVID vaccines may not yet have been proven as safe as some others, but still safe enough given the risk of COVID. The evidence against them is just ordinary stupid vaccine denialism and internet garbage.

mm

Haven't been reading this thread . . . having too much fun skiing at Taos last week.

Put "clinical studies acupuncture" into a Search engine and plenty of studies will turn up. Studies were initiated by western medical researchers soon after China opened up in the 1970s. Fair to say that most physicians were totally skeptical until they saw surgery done with only acupuncture.

A key reason that the clinical studies for COVID-19 vaccines could be completed relatively quickly was that it was easy to find enough subjects. Enrolling 30,000+ subjects when there is no guarantee that someone will get the test vaccine, but might just get a placebo can take years. The situation was different during a pandemic. Plus the research for SARS-CoV-2 was based on previous research for other coronavirus vaccines. That research was puttering along very slowly in terms of clinical studies due to lack of funding and other factors. But the lab work was pretty well defined.

 

[MarzNC]

I'm comfortable taking ny FDA approved vaccine. Russion or Chinese approved vaccines, maybe not before FDA approval.

Note that FDA requires a clinical trial done in the U.S. before reviewing the complete data available for any drug, vaccine, or medical device. Data from other countries can be supportive but not the basis for approval of efficacy. Data from all clinical trials worldwide must be included in the "safety data," which covers all reports of adverse effects.

One reason it takes longer and costs more to obtain FDA approval is that the regulatory approach is different than for other countries. For what it's worth, I worked in the pharma/biotech industry for 15 years and participated as a large database specialist on a few FDA submissions. Ph.D. is in Biostatistics.