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Then that was an even bigger messaging fail.
Guess you weren't listening or reading what Dr. Fauci was saying from the start. The idea that breakthrough cases were expected was stated all along. Even 90% efficacy in a clinical trial with 30,000 people (half given the vaccine) is not the same as full prevention of COVID-19.

Few people understand vaccines. Or that there are different types of infectious diseases. That's not going to change any time soon.
 
Guess you weren't listening or reading what Dr. Fauci was saying from the start.
I'll own it. Still I'm not the only one.

Maybe this is what confused me:

"....a growing body of evidence suggests that COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission."
 
Guess you weren't listening or reading what Dr. Fauci was saying from the start. The idea that breakthrough cases were expected was stated all along. Even 90% efficacy in a clinical trial with 30,000 people (half given the vaccine) is not the same as full prevention of COVID-19.

Few people understand vaccines. Or that there are different types of infectious diseases. That's not going to change any time soon.
This^^^ What I've also found is that far fewer people than I thought possible understand basic statistics, let alone vaccines.

PS I'm not referring to anyone in this thread. I'm just Generally speaking based on some comments i see in YouTube and opinion based media.
 
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Guess you weren't listening or reading what Dr. Fauci was saying from the start. The idea that breakthrough cases were expected was stated all along. Even 90% efficacy in a clinical trial with 30,000 people (half given the vaccine) is not the same as full prevention of COVID-19.

Few people understand vaccines. Or that there are different types of infectious diseases. That's not going to change any time soon.
TRUTH ! Especially the first 3 words of your last paragraph .
 
I'll own it. Still I'm not the only one.

Maybe this is what confused me:

"....a growing body of evidence suggests that COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission."
Right but it doesn't mean it won't happen. Also a vaxed person is over the illness much faster and therefore is contagious for a shorter period.
 
Right but it doesn't mean it won't happen. Also a vaxed person is over the illness much faster and therefore is contagious for a shorter period.
What's confusing people now is the reduction in CDC recommendations about self-quarantine or isolation after a positive test or likely exposure. Used to be 10-14 days (can't remember when it went from 14 to 10). Now down to 5 days officially but even shorter for vaccinated folks in some jurisdictions or industries. That's based on evidence that someone who is vaccinated is no longer contagious after 2-3 days. By the time they test positive, probably already on the downside of the infection. Especially if they no longer have any symptoms.

The reason for pushing boosters is that someone who is boosted will have quicker response by protective antibodies as soon as the body detects SARS-CoV-2. Someone who is fully vaccinated but not boosted will have T-cells/B-cells that generate new relevant antibodies so they are very unlikely to get seriously ill but may have COVID-19 for a bit longer. Antibodies aren't designed to last a long time. When they aren't needed, no more are produced and the ones that are around naturally die off. All cells die and are replaced as needed. I learned that when researching bone density several years ago. Remember, I'm not a medical professional. Just a statistician with a background in clinical trials research who knows how to research a medical topic online from assorted sources.
 
Low snow because of warm weather, pent up demand for a holiday season after a pandemic season, staffing issues for all seasonal jobs . . . mix in Omicron where masking isn't required or even strongly recommended . . . makes for a mess.

What I'm paying more attention to is how things are going at ski resorts for MLK weekend. Even without a pandemic, I expect a mess in late December. It really still is early season.
 
I'll own it. Still I'm not the only one.

Maybe this is what confused me:

"....a growing body of evidence suggests that COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission."
Not really trying to pick on you. The majority of people don't really understand what makes COVID-19 and the associated vaccines different from anything even developed with modern clinical trials methods.a

Trying to keep up with the ever-changing knowledge about COVID-19 is virtually impossible. I don't even try any more. Doing some research once or twice a month is better then daily.
 
What's confusing people now is the reduction in CDC recommendations about self-quarantine or isolation after a positive test or likely exposure. Used to be 10-14 days (can't remember when it went from 14 to 10). Now down to 5 days officially but even shorter for vaccinated folks in some jurisdictions or industries. That's based on evidence that someone who is vaccinated is no longer contagious after 2-3 days. By the time they test positive, probably already on the downside of the infection. Especially if they no longer have any symptoms.

The reason for pushing boosters is that someone who is boosted will have quicker response by protective antibodies as soon as the body detects SARS-CoV-2. Someone who is fully vaccinated but not boosted will have T-cells/B-cells that generate new relevant antibodies so they are very unlikely to get seriously ill but may have COVID-19 for a bit longer. Antibodies aren't designed to last a long time. When they aren't needed, no more are produced and the ones that are around naturally die off. All cells die and are replaced as needed. I learned that when researching bone density several years ago. Remember, I'm not a medical professional. Just a statistician with a background in clinical trials research who knows how to research a medical topic online from assorted sources.
Oh you're a stats guy! I enjoyed stats I learned in engineering school and during my MBA. Used it in manufacturing for a few years till I moved on. I remember getting the PC based version of Minitab and was so excited. Yeah I'm a bit of a dork :)
 
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