Ski Bowl 3.0 at Gore

[Harvey]

Does anyone know if Hudson has been sold?

I am pretty sure the answer is no.

 

[tirolski]

Does anyone know if Hudson has been sold? There are a ton of ski areas out there who would love to get their hands on a 12 year old Partek with about 5 years worth of hours. I couldn't find anything on the NYS surplus auction site. I don't really see it being reused within ORDA.

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Have ya tried asking someone at ORDA?

 

[Alfredeneumann]

Does anyone know if Hudson has been sold? There are a ton of ski areas out there who would love to get their hands on a 12 year old Partek with about 5 years worth of hours. I couldn't find anything on the NYS surplus auction site. I don't really see it being reused within ORDA.

It’s too short to use as an upgrade of Topridge. It would fit on the North Side, but wouldn’t be fast enough for Sno. Maybe it should just stay where it is.

 

[tirolski]

I don't really see it being reused within ORDA.

Folks would use a surface set-up like this if folks put one in the bottom of the ski bowl.

Fact.

 

[Peter]

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Have ya tried asking someone at ORDA?

I will ask but I generally get ignored unless I file a formal public records request they have to respond to.

 

[freeheeln]

How do you know all this Sno?

Singularly focused.

 

[snoloco]

What ski area runs their mountain to your satisfaction? (Killington? or?) How much do you ski there? Why do you ski Gore?

Killington probably comes the closest, which is why I ski there more than anywhere else. I ski Gore because I like the terrain and it's the shortest drive.

How do you know all this Sno? Are there public system maps of this stuff or just careful observation?

It's easy to see the pipes while skiing, and from that I can figure out how everything is laid out.

It’s too short to use as an upgrade of Topridge. It would fit on the North Side, but wouldn’t be fast enough for Sno. Maybe it should just stay where it is.

It was actually a partially used lift, as it was built when Partek was under a non-compete agreement with Doppelmayr who owned a stake in them. The Village Chair is the same situation. That agreement has since expired, and new Partek lifts can be built again, such as West Mountain's Face and Apex lifts.

I don't see Hudson being reused within ORDA. They've built nothing but brand-new lifts for the last decade. I would personally reinstall it as a transfer lift from the bottom of the North Quad to the top of Burnt Ridge to improve mountain connectivity.

This brings me to another point. Gore has a layout that is what I refer to as "podified". This means the mountain is divided up into different sections or pods, with little to no overlap between them, and few options that connect one area to another. While the Gondola, Adirondack Express, and Sunway Quad all overlap, the only other spot on the entire mountain where the service area of two lifts overlap is the top of Cloud. The advantages of this type of layout is that there are fewer bottlenecks where the service areas of different lifts overlap, and fewer trail intersections. the drawbacks are that there is almost no lift redundancy, and it is often time consuming to move between sections.

Gore has taken some steps to "depodify" the mountain. Backwoods is an example of this, providing a direct route to the Ski Bowl from Burnt Ridge. Previously only Pipeline would get you there. Extending High Peaks back to the original summit is another example. Previously you could only get there on the Straightbrook lift, so if you were coming from The Saddle, it took two lifts to reach.

However, they've also perpetuated this in other cases. Not providing another trail from Burnt Ridge to the main base when Echo has racing forces you to go down to and up the North Quad, just to get back to the base. The nixing of Lower Tannery means you have to go up the Topridge lift to get to the base, instead of just skiing directly there. Same with the removal of the original gondola and the replacement only going to Bear Mountain. It now requires an extra run and lift ride to get to the summit.

I'm not saying that every move to podify a mountain is bad, or that every move to depodify is good, but this type of layout is the reality for Gore. For example, Lower Tannery was very flat, and probably not particularly well liked. Also, with the gondola going to Bear Mountain, it is able to serve the front side terrain much more conveniently than the old one did.

I'll close out this long post with a link to a facebook post from Nelsap, that shows the main t bar at Ski Bowl 1.0.

https://www.facebook.com/lostskiareas/posts/pfbid033jFvEG9qRNqzrrNf5HV2aLxkquEePBapAVS1dGVed5Mrqxopmi1DUiRZ1zEmfeL4l

 

[Harvey]

This brings me to another point. Gore has a layout that is what I refer to as "podified". This means the mountain is divided up into different sections or pods, with little to no overlap between them, and few options that connect one area to another. While the Gondola, Adirondack Express, and Sunway Quad all overlap, the only other spot on the entire mountain where the service area of two lifts overlap is the top of Cloud. The advantages of this type of layout is that there are fewer bottlenecks where the service areas of different lifts overlap, and fewer trail intersections. the drawbacks are that there is almost no lift redundancy, and it is often time consuming to move between sections.

Gore has taken some steps to "depodify" the mountain. Backwoods is an example of this, providing a direct route to the Ski Bowl from Burnt Ridge. Previously only Pipeline would get you there. Extending High Peaks back to the original summit is another example. Previously you could only get there on the Straightbrook lift, so if you were coming from The Saddle, it took two lifts to reach.

However, they've also perpetuated this in other cases. Not providing another trail from Burnt Ridge to the main base when Echo has racing forces you to go down to and up the North Quad, just to get back to the base. The nixing of Lower Tannery means you have to go up the Topridge lift to get to the base, instead of just skiing directly there. Same with the removal of the original gondola and the replacement only going to Bear Mountain. It now requires an extra run and lift ride to get to the summit.

I'm not saying that every move to podify a mountain is bad, or that every move to depodify is good, but this type of layout is the reality for Gore. For example, Lower Tannery was very flat, and probably not particularly well liked. Also, with the gondola going to Bear Mountain, it is able to serve the front side terrain much more conveniently than the old one did.

I see it another way.

Gore is four mountains, and you don't need a car to move from one to another.

 

[Adirondack Johnny]

Sorry if this has been posted, but will yurt life be compromised? Are they relocating or removing anything?

 

[Zykamps]

I see it another way.

Gore is four mountains, and you don't need a car to move from one to another.

I like the pod layout mostly. Once you've got a rhythm it can flow well from one to another. I had a pattern when I was there somewhat regularly. I agree lower tannery as an escape route from topridge would be nice. What happens if the lift goes down? Guessing there is protocol for that.