ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[DomB]

Do they both last that long without replacing things?

T - not precisely sure of the question, but if you are asking about the life of the battery, it looks like currently Tesla, the leader has batteries in production in vehicles (on the road now) expected to last several hundred thousand miles. Looks like they are researching million mile batteries and some thing they will be incorporated into the cyber truck. At that point, the batteries will well outlast the cars (I am not even sure I will drive a million miles in my life). Then the question becomes do you move the battery to the next car.

There is battery degradation over time, which means the charge gets you less range over time. I haven't spent too much time, but it looks like by 150-200,000 miles, degradation is around 10-15%, so if you had a range of 300 mi at purchase, you could have a range as low as 255 ten years down the road.

Source: https://electrek.co/2020/06/12/tesl... around 10 to,down by different battery packs.

If, however, you are asking about replacing other things on an EV vs. an ICE, there really isn't much to replace. No oil changes, no transmission fluid. It appears to be mostly tires, brakes, and windshield wipers. Brakes last longer in an EV.

EV vs ICE Maintenance - The First 100,000 miles

Maytag or EV serviceman? If you drive an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) and have a service file, take it out for comparison. If you own an ICE and don’t have a service file, you should start one, for you will be shocked with how much time and effort you really spend on your vehicle. You may...

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[Campgottagopee]

Tesla's dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn't come from selling cars

Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 -- but not because of sales to its customers.

www.cnn.com

 

[tirolski]

Camp, would ya recommend a Subaru EV as they just said they’re coming in a couple years? Or just wait and see.

 

[jasonwx]

I wouldn't..Tesla has almost a 10 jump on most manufacturers.. most importantly they have the charging network. according to people i know the other networks aren't reliable or as fast..

 

[tirolski]

Each EV company has their own charging system? WTF. Whatever happened to the USB-type thingy being good for folks?

 

[jasonwx]

no
tesla has adapters to use the other systems. the others can't use tesla's

 

[Harvey]

Welp the 8 year battery warrantee is done on my wife' 2012 Prius. Be interesting to see how long they last. Current plan is to keep the car for another 3.5 years.

Mechanic says the ICE engines in the Prius last a long time because of the electric assist. I guess we will see. Never did any repairs yet.

 

[jasonwx]

Welp the 8 year battery warrantee is done on my wife' 2012 Prius. Be interesting to see how long they last. Current plan is to keep the car for another 3.5 years.

Mechanic says the ICE engines in the Prius last a long time because of the electric assist. I guess we will see. Never did any repairs yet.

i have 2 friends that have the prius, both have close to 200k without any major repairs...and one is totally abused

 

[Campgottagopee]

Camp, would ya recommend a Subaru EV as they just said they’re coming in a couple years? Or just wait and see.

I wouldn't recommend any EV to anyone I know. IMO they are way too expensive vs ICE. I do believe there will come a day when it does make sense because as competition becomes greater the prices will come down. As that article explains Tesla does NOT make money selling cars. The only reason they still exist is because of politics.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Good times - your doubt as to battery 'waste' is unfounded.

Currently the USA averages 17 million car sales/yr. Right now the EV sales are a pimple on a bulls as, so yes, right now it's not that big of a deal. When we flip to all EV it most def will become an issue. For those buying EV's to be "green", imo, is more of a justification of the (currently) higher price tag. They might be green up front, but they dirty at the end. There will be massive amounts of very toxic shit that will have to be disposed of.