ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Ripitz]

Those battery packs are $10k -$12k - that kind of pushes EC costs off the chart.

I just installed two enormous propane tanks for a client to power their new backup generators. They paid way more than that. The whole time I was digging I was thinking how dumb it was. At the same time a friend had panels and 2 batteries installed at his place. Since it’s grid tied he puts electricity back in or banks it in the battery to sell during peak times at a higher rate. The monthly payment with no $ out of pocket matched his previous electric bill and now he has 2-3 days backup.

 

[x10003q]

I just installed two enormous propane tanks for a client to power their new backup generators. They paid way more than that. The whole time I was digging I was thinking how dumb it was. At the same time a friend had panels and 2 batteries installed at his place. Since it’s grid tied he puts electricity back in or banks it in the battery to sell during peak times at a higher rate. The monthly payment with no $ out of pocket matched his previous electric bill and now he has 2-3 days backup.

In NJ, solar residential capacity on an individual house (grid tied) is limited to roughly what you have previously used. They zero it out at the end of the year. If you produced slightly more electricity than you used, you are paid at the wholesale rate - which is very low.

 

[DomB]

I am looking forward to the R1s in case you can't tell. A testing vehicle rolled off the production line. Testing trucks have already come off the line, with about 15 different R1ts identified by sleuths.

When fully up, the US factory (Normal Illinois) will run four lines: two with skateboards (battery, motors, wheels); one for Amazon trucks; one that shifts between R1t's and R1s's.

They say the R1ts start delivery in June and R1s in August.

 

[jasonwx]

Looks like a suburban

 

[DomB]

Looks like a suburban

Maybe; but the efficiency (70 mpge), tail pipe emissions (0), and performance (0-60 3 s; 30+% breakover angle; ground clearance 9-14.4 inches; wading depth 3ft; motor on each wheel) are a different ball of wax.

 

[jasonwx]

Maybe; but the efficiency (70 mpge), tail pipe emissions (0), and performance (0-60 3 s; 30+% breakover angle; ground clearance 9-14.4 inches; wading depth 3ft; motor on each wheel) are a different ball of wax.

very true
and GM makes a 3 ton ball of crap...
I find the whole EV thing very interesting..

 

[tirolski]

Maybe; but the efficiency ... are a different ball of wax.

Wax is hydrocarbons, just sayin.

 

[GoodTimes]

Is 70 mpge on that boat worth the added end of lifetime battery waste? Doubt it!

 

[DomB]

Is 70 mpge on that boat worth the added end of lifetime battery waste? Doubt it!

Good times - your doubt as to battery 'waste' is unfounded. Rivian designed the batteries with second use life in mind. Once they are not sufficient for EVs, they have a planned second life for solar panels and other applications.

If you don't like Rivian, then others are thinking about second life and beyond. The former no. 2 at Tesla left recently to start a company that independently takes old EV batteries for second use life (not sure precisely but presumably solar panels and storage applications that don't have the same needs as EVs).

And, if you are talking about emissions associated with building an EV, that deficit versus and ICE is made up in 18000 miles of driving.

 

[tirolski]

if you are talking about emissions associated with building an EV, that deficit versus and ICE is made up in 18000 miles of driving.

Do they both last that long without replacing things?