ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[DomB]

Ok- but 17 million a year? That was the number cited earlier for annual car sales. And I’m not betting for or against anything. When it works for me, I’m in.

EV's won't happen until they are somewhat rational choices for folks. Large reason I am going Rivian is green+performance+offroad+3d row seat+range. I have never purchased a luxury brand before, unless you consider JSkis luxury. I never thought I would, either.

The price point is high, but I buy so few cars that for a solid 3 row, I am paying 15k more, and probably about what I would pay for a luxe brand. But I get the better-than-jeep offroad performance. I don't need it, but I spend significant amounts of time offroad on soft sand with up to a 3 mi roundtrip, so the capability is nice, maybe 10-20 days a year.

Even putting aside the EV aspect, there isn't a 3d row SUV that is very capable offroad right now. I think Grand Cherokee or Wagoneer may happen, but who knows when.

 

[DomB]

This, exactly, is my point. If people want to be the first through the wall, sobeit. I ain't that guy when it comes to EV's. I'm getting ready to haul my sled up to and around the Dacks, the last thing I need to worry about is where a charging station is. Someday?? Time will tell.

I hear ya Camp. I do think if you spent some time you would see there are pretty simple apps to show you the stations, etc.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Tesla really has no incentive to offer cheaper cars

Once the big boys come online and are no longer forced to buy regulatory credits from Tesla, they will have to become competitive in a highly competitive segment of the market. They're already showing they can't make money simply selling high end EV's and I don't see that changing.

 

[Campgottagopee]

But I get the better-than-jeep offroad performance

Maybe on paper, but it's yet to be proven for the long haul.

 

[Milo Maltbie]

This, exactly, is my point. If people want to be the first through the wall, sobeit. I ain't that guy when it comes to EV's. I'm getting ready to haul my sled up to and around the Dacks, the last thing I need to worry about is where a charging station is. Someday?? Time will tell.

At some point EVs will be easier to deal with than RICE cars, but skiers other snow country drivers will be the last to adopt them. just like the Dacks are the last place in NY where you need a landline phone. GM is saying all electric by 2035. That sounds plausible to me.
FWIW I'm not an early adopter, but as soon as I can get an EV with stick shift, I'm in.

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[Tjf1967]

EV's won't happen until they are somewhat rational choices for folks. Large reason I am going Rivian is green+performance+offroad+3d row seat+range. I have never purchased a luxury brand before, unless you consider JSkis luxury. I never thought I would, either.

The price point is high, but I buy so few cars that for a solid 3 row, I am paying 15k more, and probably about what I would pay for a luxe brand. But I get the better-than-jeep offroad performance. I don't need it, but I spend significant amounts of time offroad on soft sand with up to a 3 mi roundtrip, so the capability is nice, maybe 10-20 days a year.

Even putting aside the EV aspect, there isn't a 3d row SUV that is very capable offroad right now. I think Grand Cherokee or Wagoneer may happen, but who knows when.

For record I WAS a fan boy of rivian, now I am skeptical. They have delayed their release 4 consecutive years in a row.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Dacks are the last place in NY where you need a landline phone

Believe it or not there are still places here in CNY that have no cell sservice and need landlines. I get cell service at my house but I can not get internet no matter what provider I have talked with. I wouldn't get it even if I could. LOL

 

[Milo Maltbie]

Believe it or not there are still places here in CNY that have no cell sservice and need landlines. I get cell service at my house but I can not get internet no matter what provider I have talked with. I wouldn't get it even if I could. LOL

I know. Back in the early 90's. Harold Jerry was Chairman of the PSC, which regulates electric companies. His official residence was in Speculator, in a house that had no phone or electric service.

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[Ripitz]

The real cost of a gallon of gas is over $15. When you factor in the cost of war, energy subsidies, air/water pollution and increased health care the “price” we pay is much higher for ICE

 

[Campgottagopee]

The real cost of a gallon of gas is over $15. When you factor in the cost of war, energy subsidies, air/water pollution and increased health care the “price” we pay is much higher for ICE

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