ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[G.ski]

lol Yugo

 

[DomB]

That’s about how I feel. I’m not thrilled with the idea of mounting a used car battery on my wall either

If you get solar panels, you would pay to do that potentially with a battery. It is not that different than a Tesla powerwall or other storage devices. That is what I was referring to as designed for second life use.

Sun generates energy, panel converts to current; if you have no battery, it can power your house while sun up. If you have a battery, it can act like a generator in an outage, or you can engage in arbitrate and run battery when rates higher; or you can sign up for a system with your electric supplier where if there is demand, they pay your a premium to pull off your battery (NY does this now).

Rivian designed their cars so that when the batteries are not sufficient for auto, they can be pulled out in modules and slotted into solar storage.

 

[DomB]

I have a kind of test drive on the R1T scheduled for next Friday. I thought I was smart because I scheduled near the beach hoping they would let me take it offroad on the deep, fun sand.

Looks like someone beat me to it. The beach you see in the video is where I take the lifted CRV to fish. And where I see plenty of jeeps and F150s stuck.

 

[x10003q]

I won't buy crap just because it's the new "in" thing to do.

I'm guessing that EV technology, reliability, and quality will not be sufficiently developed to inspire me to buy an EV before I'm dead. More likely I will be forced to buy one because ICE vehicles will be outlawed.

There is no way to outlaw ICE vehicles. There are around 270 million ICE vehicles registered in the USA and they are still manufacturing new ones and they will continue to so for the foreseeable future.

 

[Brownski]

If you get solar panels, you would pay to do that potentially with a battery. It is not that different than a Tesla powerwall or other storage devices. That is what I was referring to as designed for second life use.

Sun generates energy, panel converts to current; if you have no battery, it can power your house while sun up. If you have a battery, it can act like a generator in an outage, or you can engage in arbitrate and run battery when rates higher; or you can sign up for a system with your electric supplier where if there is demand, they pay your a premium to pull off your battery (NY does this now).

Rivian designed their cars so that when the batteries are not sufficient for auto, they can be pulled out in modules and slotted into solar storage.

I understand the theory. I’m skeptical, especially since “the batteries can be recycled into home storage” is generally offered as an alternative to putting them in a landfill. So the shit that is too toxic to throw out goes on the wall in my laundry room? Great idea. It’s an overly blithe answer to a real question.

 

[Campgottagopee]

lol Yugo

When they first came out Car and Driver did an article on them. The line that always stuck with me was they said the Yugo had, "same day acceleration".

 

[DomB]

I understand the theory. I’m skeptical, especially since “the batteries can be recycled into home storage” is generally offered as an alternative to putting them in a landfill. So the shit that is too toxic to throw out goes on the wall in my laundry room? Great idea. It’s an overly blithe answer to a real question.

I have to look up blithe, so that's cool - brain exercise.

These are real issues; I don't think we can go status quo. My understanding (and have not looked back for a few months), but the battery storage for solar would have a longer life cycle. If it helps, I think people also put poweralls on the outside of their homes. I would probably put it in the garage or outside if I were doing it.

I came very close to putting solar up, but the solar roof doesn't generate that much electric. And for me, before i would do solar panels, I probably would replace my roof, so it was just an economic choice on priorities.

And I haven't seen a toxicity analysis for ICE cars, but 1 they end up in landfills too and 2 they cause lots of pollution, which has a lot of indirect/external costs that if you believe in climate change, we are seeing now.

 

[DomB]

There is no way to outlaw ICE vehicles. There are around 270 million ICE vehicles registered in the USA and they are still manufacturing new ones and they will continue to so for the foreseeable future.

Correct. Norway apparently has a very high adoption rate. I think all they did was not tax them, making them like 30% cheaper than a comparable ICE.

So, you could either incentivize it, or, if you were willing to wait, do nothing. Just a matter of timing.

 

[DomB]

I understand the theory. I’m skeptical, especially since “the batteries can be recycled into home storage” is generally offered as an alternative to putting them in a landfill. So the shit that is too toxic to throw out goes on the wall in my laundry room? Great idea. It’s an overly blithe answer to a real question.

cheerful indifference so as to be improper. Ouch : )

 

[Brownski]

cheerful indifference so as to be improper. Ouch : )

usually used as an adverb- as in blithely