ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Tjf1967]

and their massive depreciation..

 

[Green light]

Any Mavericks?

Wasn’t really looking for them. Will check next time I go by.

 

[Campgottagopee]

and their massive depreciation..

Yes, no doubt. It's really crazy all the hype behind these things vs now.

 

[Green light]

Any Mavericks?

Drove by today and didn’t see any

 

[MarzNC]

Meanwhile, SixT is dropping Tesla but still interested in EVs. Going with Stellantis as the EV supplier. SixT is based in Europe and also rents cars in North America.

December 2023

Rental Company Sixt Phases Out Tesla EVs From Fleet

Rental car company Sixt cuts Tesla EVs from its fleet, citing repair costs and reduced residual value.

insideevs.com

January 16, 2024

SIXT drops Tesla, buys 250,000 rental cars from Stellantis

After dropping Tesla, SIXT says it will buy up to 250,000 vehicles from Stellantis for its rental fleets in North America and Europe.

electrek.co

" . . .
However, SIXT says it still plans to electrify as much as 90% of its vehicles in Europe by the end of the decade.

SIXT says it will take delivery of Stellantis brands, including “Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS Automobiles, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, Vauxhall and Maserati.” It will add “city cars to SUVs to vans and trucks (including 7- and 9-seaters)” into its rental fleet.
. . ."

 

[DomB]

Seems a little hypish (the EV9 right now is not that far from vapor ware) but there are some good charts:

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/hyundai-and-kia-emerge-as-teslas-biggest-u-s-rivals-bc610384

 

[x10003q]

It is hard to understand buying an EV if you do not have a dedicated charging spot in a cold weather area like Chicago.

Tesla owners say EV batteries won't charge as brutally cold temperatures hit Chicago

One Tesla owner said he saw at least 10 cars get towed from a charging station after running out of battery and dying.

www.usatoday.com

 

[tirolski]

It is hard to understand buying an EV if you do not have a dedicated charging spot in a cold weather area like Chicago.

F-150 lightning cold weather thread...

-20F to -30F performance and experience

Chart on the right shows the energy flow by the minute, for 24 minutes the battery warming effort ran initially started around 9 KW, then bumped itself up to 18 KW, chart on the right shows a total of 5.34 KWH consumed over that 24 minutes. I had the cabin warming function OFF in the...

www.f150lightningforum.com

 

[DomB]

So, I don't know the points on EXTREME cold, but normal pretty cold (4 degrees) does not seem to be a problem. Also, perwarming / preconditioning is important to efficiency and taking a high speed charge.

The TDLR on this video, using precondition (which can now just be set to a time in the app), an R1s got about 90% of efficiency in 6 degrees in CO. When an R1t without the update did the same without preconditioning, it got like 50% efficiency.

Also, the video posted above notes that you should precondition before charging in the cold. Rivians do that automatically when they are navigating to a high speed charger. I am sure there is a point it is so cold that it may not matter, but 0 F is not it.

 

[DomB]

It seems blocked but click on 'Update' with this google search: youtube rivian dad cold weather