Gore / North Creek Lodging and Amenities

[Huezee]

One of ORDA’s mission is to develop/improve local economies around their facilities, that seems to have happened at Whiteface but not at Gore or Belleayre, although Wilmington is a semi ghost town with the real action in Lake Placid.
A couple of private areas I’m familiar with are at opposite ends of the local impact spectrum. Although many of the lodging/food businesses on Killington Access Road are owned by the mountain and are turnkey operations, many are privately owned. Lots of income flowing into the community. The other extreme is Jiminy Peak, with an inn, hundreds of condo units, several dining options and even a grocery/deli on the mountain. The owner doesn’t seem to want to let the community “wet their beak,” to the point that some local restaurants and mom and pop motels have gone under. I’m surprised he doesn’t have a gas station on the mountain.
I’ve heard locals complain, on these pages and elsewhere, that the ski commuters don’t spend any money in North Creek and the weekenders spend it all in Lake George, which makes plenty of money the rest of the year. I really would love to spend my money in North Creek, but what’s available except for Stewart’s hot dogs?
I have avoided weekends like the plague since long before covid, usually day trip to Gore a couple of weekdays each week. We start early, take a break late morning and knock off around 2, ready for lunch. Our choices are pretty much eat on the mountain (Gore chili?) or Stewart’s. The closest place we’ve found to get a couple of beers and lunch is Old Log Inn north of Lake George.
I’m skiing tomorrow and Mondays are particularly bad. A survey of what’s available near North Creek-
Becks now only open Friday-Sunday.
Izzy’s, Marsha’s, Sarah’s open until 3 so possible to get lunch if we hurry.
Barking Spider, North Creek Lodge, Bar Vino, Basil & Wicks don’t serve food until 4-5 pm. Sorry, I’m almost home by then.
Sorry if I’ve missed your place, some of this information comes from Google.
If you build it they will come and spend money.

here ya go. Or just go to Vermont.

 

[x10003q]

The lack of a pizza place in North Creek keeping regular hours defines the failure of ORDA in the 40 years they have operated Gore. When I first had a seasonal rental at Gore in the mid 1980s the pizza place was not open regular hours. During the 25 years I owned a house at Gore, the pizza place went thru many owners and was never open regular hours. Some seasons it did not open at all.

In the mid 1980s, Gore was about 180acres with a 1960s gondola to the top, a high speed triple (installed in about 1984) and a handful of double chairs. There was snowmaking on 90% of the trails but Gore always ran out of water. It was a great place, but those doubles (Straighbrook/High Peaks(called the Summit), North) and the gondola had huge lines most weekends.

Fast forward and Gore is now an almost 500 acre ski area with 3 high speed lifts, a multitude of FG quads, very few lift lines, expanded lodges, basically unlimited water from the Hudson River, connected to the original NC Ski Bowl and you still cannot get pizza during a holiday week.

How can this be? After all these years of watching ORDA, the ORDA Board is continues to be completely Lake Placed centric. It is in the interest of certain Lake Placid members of the ORDA Board to make sure Gore never becomes even a minor destination resort (like Sugarbush).

Gore has NEVER advertised in the NYC metro area media. Whiteface/Lake Placid has and is advertised in the NYC metro media. I have heard and seen ads for Mt Snow/Stratton/Okemo in the NYC metro. Why not Gore?

Some NYSB members in the thread have said "go to Vermont if you want a big resort experience". There is a huge difference between the big resorts that exist in VT at places like Mt Snow/Stratton/Okemo and the limits on what could ever happen at Gore. Nobody is suggesting that Gore should be like the 3 SVT areas. Also, Front Street has had legally approved permits for slopeside lodging in the Ski Bowl. I cannot answer to why or what Front Street's plan is going forward.

The "go to VT" line of thinking ignores the mission of ORDA to improve the economy of the region surrounding Gore. The improvement will only come with more overnight visits to the NC area. People still live in the Ad Park and there still needs to be jobs. The units that are built will pay property taxes to NC to help support the town and the schools in the town while not adding any students to the schools.

In the early 2000s, then NY Gov Pataki earmarked funds for Gore's expansion based on a study that used Sugarbush as a model based on skier visits. At the time, Sugarbush was in the 275k-350K range for skier visits/season. Gore was expanded (oh so slowly as we see that Backwoods was finally added last year). However, Gore still sees roughly the same amount of visitors annually that it saw 20 plus years ago (215k) when Gore was half the size it is today. That is a failure by ORDA.

We all like skiing with as few people as possible. But pulling up the drawbridge to other people who might want to ski at Gore but live more than a day trip away is not how a 500 acre public ski facility works. Reading thru the thread we see the classic comments about how great Gore is for skiing, but we couldn't get some pizza during a holiday week. Those people become one and done visitors. ORDA should be held accountable for their 40 years of failure. I won't be holding my breath.

 

[tirolski]

During the 25 years I owned a house at Gore, the pizza place went thru many owners and was never open regular hours. Some seasons it did not open at all...
Fast forward...500 acre ski area with 3 high speed lifts, a multitude of FG quads, ...expanded lodges, ...and you still cannot get pizza during a holiday week....Front Street has had legally approved permits for slopeside lodging in the Ski Bowl. I cannot answer to why or what Front Street's plan is going forward.

Make one of FS places a slope side pizza joint. Or is that against the rools? Shouldn’t be too difficult to turn a profit in the wintertime.

 

[SudsNBumps]

Wow Q man smoke something and chill...you should buy more into North Creek and start a Pizza place. Gore can't get enough employees what makes you think they will flock to NC for jobs. ORDA is not responsible for North Creek, Wevertown, Johnsburg or any other surrounding town...they need to feed off what is there. Gore is Gore...we'll see what happens with the little Gore ideas. It is what it is...maybe we can get some of the border crossers up here. You need employees to grow! No matter where I ski, I won't judge the town for the lack of Pizza. Do they bitch like this at Wildcat? oh that/s Vail they have more problems. I still love Gore!

 

[Ripitz]

Wow Q man smoke something and chill.

Do they bitch like this at Wildcat?

Almost spit out my beer. Someone get this man a pizza!

 

[tirolski]

ORDA is not responsible for North Creek,

Is the Creek and/or the Town of Johnsburg gonna be responsible for FS's + ORDA’s poo whenever the new sewer system goes in?

 

[Johnny V.]

Yes, when we were up there last week I was surprised that the pizza/sub place on 28 closed at 3:00 PM on a holiday week. Seems some place in the village of North Creek could make a go of it with casual food, subs and pizza, but apparently not.

 

[Ripitz]

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[Campgottagopee]

The lack of a pizza place in North Creek keeping regular hours defines the failure of ORDA in the 40 years they have operated Gore. When I first had a seasonal rental at Gore in the mid 1980s the pizza place was not open regular hours. During the 25 years I owned a house at Gore, the pizza place went thru many owners and was never open regular hours. Some seasons it did not open at all.

In the mid 1980s, Gore was about 180acres with a 1960s gondola to the top, a high speed triple (installed in about 1984) and a handful of double chairs. There was snowmaking on 90% of the trails but Gore always ran out of water. It was a great place, but those doubles (Straighbrook/High Peaks(called the Summit), North) and the gondola had huge lines most weekends.

Fast forward and Gore is now an almost 500 acre ski area with 3 high speed lifts, a multitude of FG quads, very few lift lines, expanded lodges, basically unlimited water from the Hudson River, connected to the original NC Ski Bowl and you still cannot get pizza during a holiday week.

How can this be? After all these years of watching ORDA, the ORDA Board is continues to be completely Lake Placed centric. It is in the interest of certain Lake Placid members of the ORDA Board to make sure Gore never becomes even a minor destination resort (like Sugarbush).

Gore has NEVER advertised in the NYC metro area media. Whiteface/Lake Placid has and is advertised in the NYC metro media. I have heard and seen ads for Mt Snow/Stratton/Okemo in the NYC metro. Why not Gore?

Some NYSB members in the thread have said "go to Vermont if you want a big resort experience". There is a huge difference between the big resorts that exist in VT at places like Mt Snow/Stratton/Okemo and the limits on what could ever happen at Gore. Nobody is suggesting that Gore should be like the 3 SVT areas. Also, Front Street has had legally approved permits for slopeside lodging in the Ski Bowl. I cannot answer to why or what Front Street's plan is going forward.

The "go to VT" line of thinking ignores the mission of ORDA to improve the economy of the region surrounding Gore. The improvement will only come with more overnight visits to the NC area. People still live in the Ad Park and there still needs to be jobs. The units that are built will pay property taxes to NC to help support the town and the schools in the town while not adding any students to the schools.

In the early 2000s, then NY Gov Pataki earmarked funds for Gore's expansion based on a study that used Sugarbush as a model based on skier visits. At the time, Sugarbush was in the 275k-350K range for skier visits/season. Gore was expanded (oh so slowly as we see that Backwoods was finally added last year). However, Gore still sees roughly the same amount of visitors annually that it saw 20 plus years ago (215k) when Gore was half the size it is today. That is a failure by ORDA.

We all like skiing with as few people as possible. But pulling up the drawbridge to other people who might want to ski at Gore but live more than a day trip away is not how a 500 acre public ski facility works. Reading thru the thread we see the classic comments about how great Gore is for skiing, but we couldn't get some pizza during a holiday week. Those people become one and done visitors. ORDA should be held accountable for their 40 years of failure. I won't be holding my breath.

Truth!

ORDA is far from an above board operation. Board members pockets are being lined at NY taxpayers expense.

 

[gorgonzola]

not sure if ORDA's to blame but I do find the availability of decent pizza and breakass sammy's to be a good barometer of a healthy recreational environment...