Yes You Need Snow Tires

I bought a separate set of 16 inch rims and "winter tires" (not full on snow tires) for the Alltrack. It's a GIANT PITA, but a few mornings a season when there's 6 inches of unplowed snow on the ground I can make first chair so it's worth it for me.

I doubt the stock all seasons on 18 inch rims would get me there.
 
I remember my first pair of radials. I bought my grandma's car, a Chevy Nova with a straight 6 for $200. It was 10 years old with 18,000 miles on it. I think it was 1980?

Those bias ply tires were shit, and the radials were THE SHIT!

That thing was a rust bucket. I think it had the original oil in it. When I changed it it was grey and frothy with bubbles. It was a heap. The radiator was completely rusted out. I took it for a job interview in NYC on hot day close to 100. I was in suit and it was overheating I had to blast the heat to keep it from boiling over. Maybe needless to say it, I looked like crap for that interview.
 
How about “Yes you need chains”
Snow tires are crap on ice or I should say wet ice. I share my gravel driveway with 3 other people. If we get a good couple inches and sleet and ice on top It never fails my one neighbor has to drive and pack it down.

Last year was like ground hog day. I was able to get my chains on in a few minutes . All seasons with chains when needed.
 
Harvey said:
That thing was a rust bucket. I think it had the original oil in it. When I changed it it was grey and frothy with bubbles. It was a heap. The radiator was completely rusted out. I took it for a job interview in NYC on hot day close to 100. I was in suit and it was overheating I had to blast the heat to keep it from boiling over. Maybe needless to say it, I looked like crap for that interview.
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Didya get asked to come back?
 
Are chains legal in New York or Vermont? And if so why doesn't anyone use them?
 
Check out the Michelin Crossclimate2. It's a high end touring tire, but when you look at the tread you'll see its different. They bite into snow extremely well as long as the snow is softish and not solid ice. Driving on ice is when you actually "need" a real snow tire. Most all weather tires with the mountain snowflake symbol nowadays work just fine in snow but are not great on ice. Basically they are designed to trap snow in the tread so that your traction is actually snow on snow contact. The rubber compound itself is that of a touring tire providing a more stable ride on the highway.
 
TheGreatAbyss said:
Are chains legal in New York or Vermont? And if so why doesn't anyone use them?
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Seems like it’s legal but very rare. I think I remember my school bus having them a few times when I was a kid and maybe seeing them on plow trucks occasionally
 
We had chains on the high school bus a few times too.
There was a big farmer football lineman that would try to get the bus stuck coming down a drumlin turn by transferring his weight quickly to the other side on a turn in the back of the bus, allegedly. He weighed >330 lbs.
We had to wait at the end of the road in the cold oftentimes as he got picked up before we got on.
 
My plow guy doesn't use chains because he says it hammers his suspension.
 
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