ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Tjf1967]

Nice looking truck. Going it off for a week? Have you got on the gas with it yet?

 

[trackbiker]

FIFY. Have you got on the juice with it yet?

Congats, Dom. Looks great. Seems to me that the S1 would make more sense to most people than the truck but for some reason most people want a truck. Looking forward to your impressions/evaluations. From your comments up to this point I get the impression that you will give us a fair review.

 

[DomB]

Nice looking truck. Going it off for a week? Have you got on the gas with it yet?

Drop off is for ppf and ceramic coat.

Yes, I have got on the gas and likely only time til spring as I won’t want to launch on snow tires.

I only drove it about two hours but was extremely impressed. It was head and shoulders better fit and rode than the October 2022 r1s test drive so that suggests to me they are getting their mfg dialed in.

The modes are so interesting - in conserve JT became a game to max range so I drove well conservatively. When I went to sport and stuff suspension I could not help doing two ‘launches’. I hate to say it it made me want to drive aggressively.

Was MUCH quieter on interior than I expected so it seems like they have improved wind noise issues at speed.

Last, driver plus took all of the stress out of driving on the LIE. Anyone spending time on that knows that is big. It would turn, accelerate and decelerate based on traffic and the speed I set.

Will post after I have some time to play around w it. Very happy w the purchase right now. Hope it lasts.

I had an exhaustive checklist and it passed. There was a pinky fingernail size scratch on the plastic trim at bottom of the car but I was not going to make a stink about it.

There are two or three panel gaps but the devil horns issue is much improved versus the October test drive.

 

[DomB]

Congats, Dom. Looks great. Seems to me that the S1 would make more sense to most people than the truck but for some reason most people want a truck. Looking forward to your impressions/evaluations. From your comments up to this point I get the impression that you will give us a fair review.

Thanks! Only negative so far were a few panel gaps in the back that were not worth rejecting to me. There is a bit of a ‘devil horns’ issue where the center glass roof meets the side panels. Better than the version I drove in October. Will do a write up when I have time w vehicle.

 

[DomB]

Last in two hours of driving maybe 20 ppl took pics or video of the car and I got a few waives and thumbs ups. One guy in a souped up Nissan went out of his way to ‘gas’ me. I let him pass as it was in Bklyn and I did. It want to get a paint chip. Plus you get tickets at about 30 mph from speed cameras.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Sharp looking rig, Dom. Congrats!!

 

[Campgottagopee]

I've been watching the 24hr IMSA race in Daytona. For the first time all the GTP cars are hybrid. As of this morning, only 3 of the 9 cars have broke due to battery issues. Surprisingly, Cadillac is still leading the field.
Still 6 hrs of racing to go. It will be interesting to see if these hybrids still hold up. If so, I'll be sold on the hybrid technology.

 

[MarzNC]

The modes are so interesting - in conserve JT became a game to max range so I drove well conservatively. When I went to sport and stuff suspension I could not help doing two ‘launches’. I hate to say it it made me want to drive aggressively.

Congrats on taking delivery!

Lots of fun to play with options to see how it changes range. I did that with the first RAV4 Prime for months and still learning with the second.

 

[MarzNC]

Also I'd rather not buy the fancy charger for this house since we'd be moving in 2+ years. Can I get by with a regular plug for 2 years? Probably right?

Even though we have Level 2 charging capability at the house, I very rarely use it. Only applicable to the R4P XSE with the 6.6 kWh on-board charger. Then it takes just over 2 hours for a full charge to 42-45 EV miles, depending on temperature. If I have a reason to go out during the day, and my husband and I are going to a show or some event in the evening, that's the only time I bother. Otherwise I charge overnight.

With the SE (bought Nov 2020), I didn't charge with the Level 2 at home except as an experiment. That requires at least 4 hours to make it worth the effort. Also topped it off once when a motel had a free Level 2 charger.

 

[MarzNC]

The rep told me it's about $8k to go from pluggin to regular hybrid. That seems like a lot for 50 miles of 100mpg driving per day. And for us in the mountains it may well be 30 or 35. Both cars are a few thousand above msrp. She said any electric vehicle is above, while regular gassers are at msrp.

Ultimately this is Zelda's car, and her money too. If she wants the pluggin she'll buy it.

But would love to hear your input, to form my own opinion.

That difference sounds about right. My husband decided that the $7500 tax credit made a R4P about the same as the RAV4 hybrid. In our case, my requirement was an SUV, preferably a hybrid. For my usage, having a stated range of 42 miles EV was enough. That was in comparison to the EV range of the other PHEVs on the market at the time, which was on the order of 20 miles EV.

I like not having to stop at a gas station much less when I'm at home. As they say, "time is money."