ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Tjf1967]

Vegan leather is an oxymoron.

Old timers call it vinyl.

 

[Peter Minde]

Old timers call it vinyl.

Or better yet, Naugahyde!

 

[Campgottagopee]

We hashed this out before. EVs should loose their discounts when everyone starts paying for the CO2 they emit.

We've also determined there's a vast difference between subsidizing an industry vs individual transactions.

 

[tirolski]

Vegan leather is an oxymoron.

Old timers call it vinyl.

Or better yet, Naugahyde!

Naugahyde is from Naugatuck Connecticut, the home town of Chuck Goodyear.
Whatabout pleather?

 

[x10003q]

Carbon credits got the world this far in the ev transition. I'm ok with it.

Me too.

 

[TheGreatAbyss]

We've also determined there's a vast difference between subsidizing an industry vs individual transactions.

Why?

 

[Milo Maltbie]

We've also determined there's a vast difference between subsidizing an industry vs individual transactions.

There is a difference. Individual subsidies to mitigate the risk for early adopters in ways that general industries do not. There is a scientific consensus that we need to take fossil fuels out of the transportation system, and EVs are the least disruptive way to do it. You could reduce carbon emissions by reducing the need to drive everywhere, but that seems politically impossible.

The reason EV sales are soft now is that the infrastructure is still in the early development stage, but all the early adopters have already bought EVs.

mm

 

[Campgottagopee]

There is a difference. Individual subsidies to mitigate the risk for early adopters in ways that general industries do not. There is a scientific consensus that we need to take fossil fuels out of the transportation system, and EVs are the least disruptive way to do it. You could reduce carbon emissions by reducing the need to drive everywhere, but that seems politically impossible.

The reason EV sales are soft now is that the infrastructure is still in the early development stage, but all the early adopters have already bought EVs.

mm

Interesting point of view.

It's been my experience that what incentives do is weaken the brand. Whether they are from the manufacturer or the government they hurt the value of the vehicle.

Right now, if you want to lose a bunch of cash buy an EV.

 

[Campgottagopee]

When everyone starts paying for the CO2 they emit.

How would you charge?
Charge drivers of ICE vehicles per mile?
Charge air travel per mile? Bus travel per mile?
Or maybe those charging EVs per hour?

 

[TheGreatAbyss]

Tax at the pump, on your electric bill, and on a plane ticket a cost proportionate to the amount of C02 the source fuels emit.

Right now, if you want to lose a bunch of cash buy an EV.

Funny, the EV was by far the cheapest option of the mid size crossovers I looked at.