ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[tirolski]

Dang batteries not tied down.

More than 1.8M Toyota RAV4 vehicles recalled due to replacement battery fire risk

Toyota said it is working on a remedy that would replace the battery hold-down clamp, battery tray, and positive terminal cover at no cost to owners.

abc7.com

 

[Campgottagopee]

Rav 4 I think. With ice cars no one pays much attention.

I pay attention. This recall is for batteries catching fire that can vibrate loose. Batteries, regular old car batteries. Wait until ev batteries start vibrating loose!

 

[Andy_ROC]

Dang batteries not tied down.

More than 1.8M Toyota RAV4 vehicles recalled due to replacement battery fire risk

Toyota said it is working on a remedy that would replace the battery hold-down clamp, battery tray, and positive terminal cover at no cost to owners.

abc7.com

I pay attention. This recall is for batteries catching fire that can vibrate loose. Batteries, regular old car batteries. Wait until ev batteries start vibrating loose!

Probably no worse and maybe lower rates. EV batteries are installed much more securely.

Sweden tracks car fire data and between 2018-2022 with data normalized for the number of cars by type, gas and diesel-powered passenger vehicles are 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs and hybrids.

 

[Harvey]

gas and diesel-powered passenger vehicles are 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs and hybrids.

So is it the gas or the battery that causes most fires?

Would think that hybrids, with BOTH would catch fire the most?

 

[Brownski]

I would think it’s too soon to make meaningful comparisons. The EV fleet is still tiny, relatively new and relatively high end. The story was that EV fires are hard to put out. Excitable members of the public turned it into “they’re bursting into flames.”

 

[Andy_ROC]

So is it the gas or the battery that causes most fires?

Would think that hybrids, with BOTH would catch fire the most?

So according to the article, from the nfpa that mechanical failure and malfunction is the leading cause of car fires in the US with electrical being a distant second. But unfortunately they don't specifically track EV/hybrid fires which is why Mototrend used the data from Sweden.

My recollection when I was a volunteer fireman decades ago is that most car fires we responded to were on the road rather than parked.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/you-are-wrong-about-ev-fires?slide=6

 

[Campgottagopee]

Probably no worse and maybe lower rates. EV batteries are installed much more securely.

Maybe today they are. ICE batteries used to be, too.

All the more reason I say give me a 1978 F250

 

[Andy_ROC]

Maybe today they are. ICE batteries used to be, too.

All the more reason I say give me a 1978 F250

Though according to the nfpa data quoted in the article, the older the vehicle the more likely to catch fire. Will that trend to EVs? Time will tell.

 

[x10003q]

Tesla has made the battery part of the structure of the car. This is one of the reasons why Tesla's battery swap idea was nonsense.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Though according to the nfpa data quoted in the article, the older the vehicle the more likely to catch fire. Will that trend to EVs? Time will tell.

I believe it will. Ins will go up, etc.

I'll still take a 1978 F250