ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions
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In addition to that question, you should consider asking (1) the likelihood of that happening vs ICE on apples-to-apples basis; and (2) given the gravity and likelihood, how would we fair without EV adoption.
I think weighing those three questions it is more reasonable to conclude EVs are still well worth it.
To answer you question, while less frequent (even accounting for less EVs and ICE), really bad stuff comes out of EVs when they burn.
Good link: https://airqualitynews.com/2020/10/...re known,about dealing with electric vehicles.
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Effective risk management
When we are highlighting the risks of EV fires, it is important to position this against the backdrop of the current risks of air pollution.
Globally, air pollution is responsible for 7 million premature deaths every single year and if we fail to decarbonise the planet, then the impacts of climate change on the global population will be catastrophic.
To date, fatalities from electric vehicle fires are few and far between.
As stated by Professor Paul Christensen, like with most things there is always a risk, but we should not let this risk deter us from transitioning towards a fleet of electric vehicles, rather it should encourage us to accelerate our understanding so we can avoid and mitigate the risks in the best possible way.
‘As a civilisation, we are very good at managing risk,’ said Paul.
‘Yes, these risks are very real, but if we understand them, then we can manage them.
‘If we are going to decarbonise the planet and reach the targets set by the Prime Minister – which we absolutely should – then we are going to have to learn how to deal with EV fires.
‘In general terms, the fire services are not yet fully prepared, but they are working hard to understand the new risks. Fundamentally they are going to need a lot more help and funding from the government.
‘Various solutions have been suggested, for example, a water lance that floods the battery or a fire blanket to cover the vehicle. But I think the general consensus is that it’s not going to be one single product or solution, it’s going to have to be a system that involves both procedure and product.
‘The last thing I want to do is demonise lithium-ion batteries, they are amazing, we’ve seen no battery like them before and they are essential to the decarbonisation of the planet, but with the plans to ban the sale of petrol and diesel vehicles creeping closer and closer much more research needs to be done to ensure safety across the board.’
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And the news I have been waiting for, apparently a global 25k Tesla being designed:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-25k-car-china-global-sales-confirmed/
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-25k-car-china-global-sales-confirmed/
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I promise I will post about skiing again at some point.
Rivian is at least cold testing (-19 F) : https://twitter.com/Rivian/status/1359296158330351620/photo/2
I also saw some outlets are reporting they will IPO this year. Given all their product launches and the demands of an IPO, I hope not.
Rivian is at least cold testing (-19 F) : https://twitter.com/Rivian/status/1359296158330351620/photo/2
I also saw some outlets are reporting they will IPO this year. Given all their product launches and the demands of an IPO, I hope not.
"if we fail to decarbonise the planet, then the impacts of climate change on the global population will be catastrophic"...
Carbon is the building block of life on the planet. Plants love CO2. Decarbonize the planet? Good luck with that.
‘As a civilisation, we are very good at managing risk,’ said Paul.
Ask him bout the risk of funding Gain of Function virus research?
Does anybody sell insurance for that type of research?
Carbon is the building block of life on the planet. Plants love CO2. Decarbonize the planet? Good luck with that.
‘As a civilisation, we are very good at managing risk,’ said Paul.
Ask him bout the risk of funding Gain of Function virus research?
Does anybody sell insurance for that type of research?
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The IPO issue is interesting for EV cos. My summary opinion is that for tech companies, it incentives the wrong behavior and subjects them to all sorts of swings, attacks, and potential missteps or even incentive to commit fraud.
There was recently a company where it seems like there were allegations of Fraud (Badger/Nikola?) that went public via a SPAC (Special Acquisition Company), got a big investment with GM, and then a short seller issued a report claiming fraud. Nikola let GM out of a lot of the investment. Just shows that with all the EV hype, even the big ones can get snookered.
My concerns with IPO are that the markets are notorious for pushing company's to short term performance. And Tesla has been subject to repeated short-bets (I am not attacking short sellers; I think they generally can have a valid role in a market). On the other hand, there are a bunch of people that love Tesla and buy their stock for no rationale reason, other than to support the company, which is probably not sustainable. DISCLAIMER: I own no individual stocks and it is unlikely I ever will.
