Big Tupper Thread

What should the state buy for North Creek and what would you like to see result from it?
 
x10003q said:
In the mid 1980s I saw a UMP that roughly showed the Gore we see today. It has taken 35 years and Gore is still missing some important parts. The first hints of the Gore expansion started in the late 1990s with the pipe into the Hudson River to access water. Why did it take so long? As I have mentioned many times, Gore, an important NYS asset, should be a bigger revenue driver for the North Creek area than it is currently. Gore still only draws about 215K visits per year - roughly the same for 20 years despite the huge expansion. Does anybody care to figure out why? Does anybody ever have to answer for this failure?

Did you even read what you wrote? Leave the free market to the free market - so why did the incredibly successful Village of Lake Placid need a $19 million gift for a new convention center from NYS right in the middle of the Village? Why didn't the "free market/private capital" supply the $19 million instead of NYS? I do not think ORDA has spent even a dollar in NC - ever. Maybe if some of that $19 million was spent in North Creek more people would want to go to NC in the winter and the summer.

One of the ORDA mandates is to economically help the areas where the facilities are located. In the almost 40 years that ORDA has operated Gore, North Creek has barely kept its head above water. I do not hate Lake Placid - I happen to love the place. I feel the 40 year administration of ORDA has never wanted to wake up the sleeping giant that sits an hour closer to major population centers and offers a better skiing experience for most skiers vs WF. They fear a more popular Gore would take away visits from Lake Placid. It is a huge conflict of interest.
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Dude, all of this is why Bellayre has a zillion dollar gondola to nowhere and other stupid stuff. Spend money, and you think, maybe, people will come. The waste is ridiculous.
What you're talking about is a marketing problem, not a public spending problem. Yeah, sure, I always said that NY should do more to market Gore to NYC metro skiers and mountain bikers, but, they suck at that. Gore is an excellent ski mountain that most don't know about down there. I used to see ads for Stratton and Mt Snow in Manhattan, but, no Gore. A little Whiteface. Spending more in North Creek, whatever you're talking about, would be ridiculous at this point, because, like I said, nobody goes to North Creek. Do you want a convention center there? That would be dumb. Because Lake George is right down a well plowed road (another state investment in Gore. Plowing costs money), and Lake George is a much more logical place to put a convention center, or, whatever, because it has a much longer season, and attracts many more people. I mean, if I was into buying a home up there, Lake George is a no brainer, insulated for winter. Half hour to Gore. Or the other lakes, too. All year besides black fly season covered.

Convention centers are always a public investment. And they usually work that way. But, you can only have so many in a certain radius. Saratoga has one, LP has one, but, North Creek? C'mon man. Nice place, but the competition is fierce. And I don't see private hotel or restaraunt money tripping over themselves to invest there.
 
Benny Profane said:
Dude, all of this is why Bellayre has a zillion dollar gondola to nowhere and other stupid stuff. Spend money, and you think, maybe, people will come. The waste is ridiculous.
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Totally agree. There was no gondola in the 2015 Belleayre UMP. Gov Andrew Cuomo forced the issue in 2017 with zero regard to existing planning or needs at Belleayre.
Benny Profane said:
What you're talking about is a marketing problem, not a public spending problem. Yeah, sure, I always said that NY should do more to market Gore to NYC metro skiers and mountain bikers, but, they suck at that. Gore is an excellent ski mountain that most don't know about down there. I used to see ads for Stratton and Mt Snow in Manhattan, but, no Gore. A little Whiteface.
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So you have identified one of the issues. Why is there no marketing for Gore in the NYC metro area yet there is marketing for WF/LP? It is not hard to fix this issue and it is not budget breaker, either. Why doesn't Gore do some marketing in the NYC metro? Isn't the ORDA Board tasked with fixing these types of problems? I am in north NJ and a little over 3 hours from North Creek and 3:30 from Stratton. This alone is a favorable marketing point.

Benny Profane said:
Spending more in North Creek, whatever you're talking about, would be ridiculous at this point, because, like I said, nobody goes to North Creek. Do you want a convention center there? That would be dumb. Because Lake George is right down a well plowed road (another state investment in Gore. Plowing costs money), and Lake George is a much more logical place to put a convention center, or, whatever, because it has a much longer season, and attracts many more people. I mean, if I was into buying a home up there, Lake George is a no brainer, insulated for winter. Half hour to Gore. Or the other lakes, too. All year besides black fly season covered.

Convention centers are always a public investment. And they usually work that way. But, you can only have so many in a certain radius. Saratoga has one, LP has one, but, North Creek? C'mon man. Nice place, but the competition is fierce. And I don't see private hotel or restaraunt money tripping over themselves to invest there.
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You completely made up an issue (North Creek Convention Center???? what a laugh) and then ranted about it. Show me where anybody anywhere advocated for a convention center in North Creek.

You also have not explained how ORDA found $19million to spend on an unneeded convention center adjacent to 1 board member's huge hotel property and less than a mile from another board member's 131 room inn. How does a convention center fit into the Winter Sports mandate of ORDA? I guess you are ok with public sector money for The Village of Lake Placid, just not for The Village of North Creek.
 
i think most people would view the convention center as blatant self dealing right? It was certainly wasteful and corrupt but that doesn’t in and of itself mean North Creek has been shortchanged. There’s a good case to be made that Gore deserves some advertising support though.
 
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