Ripitz
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It was.
Belleayre Conditions
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Low Angle Life
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Why I said it, sarcasm doesn't translate to the written word.
DomB
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So, I actually think I know the history here from Norway Ski Club community. The Overlook area used to be the bottom of a tow rope that went up Belleayre Run, so that Belle Run went from its current top to about where overlook is. This was the first 'lift' at Belle. I think there may be pics of this at the Club.
It actually was built that way - with the start of the mountain. It is cool these folks know so much about the mountain.
Also, this fact is the only way the weird, weird setup up makes any sense - it is like old European cities with concentric circles. Except with concrete doom killing vertical.
DomB
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Rip beat me!
Low Angle Life
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I get the analogy and the charm that comes with the patch work of a bunch development from over the years but another skier bridge especially where I am imagining it will end up is going to make things go from weird to straight up freaky.
Ripitz
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I love the Overlook Lodge and hope it lives on forever. Realistically though, it’s not long for this world. The logs are all rotted and I doubt they’ll fix it up the way it should. It would be better if it was where the main parking lot is and a new lot built where the maintenance barn is next to Lot H. All of the area that is now premier parking and the lodges should be ski slopes. Keep the classic rock up at Overlook and the DJs down at Discovery.
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I have not heard if there has been a decision on the new lift 7 yet. After the amended 2015 UMP was released, I was in a meeting with Mike Pratt and asked that question. Their plan at the time was to make it a fixed grip with no mid station. And also to wreck Utsy and the goat path to make another intermediate cut down like Onondaga.
I campaigned for either a mid station and not wreck Utsy/goat path or a high speed. The new lift is planned to start quite a bit down below the lodge. If they make it a fixed grip it’s going to be a horribly long ride to the top, with the first part of it to the bottom of the current lift being a waste. They’re advertising it as bottom to top access from the base: take lightning lift, get off and ski down to new 7, take to the top. If the new 7 ends up being anything like Lightning, that would make for about a 40 minute ride to the top on a typical day!
I hope everyone who is concerned about this now submitted comments on the UMP that was previously posted:
nyskiblog.com
I campaigned for either a mid station and not wreck Utsy/goat path or a high speed. The new lift is planned to start quite a bit down below the lodge. If they make it a fixed grip it’s going to be a horribly long ride to the top, with the first part of it to the bottom of the current lift being a waste. They’re advertising it as bottom to top access from the base: take lightning lift, get off and ski down to new 7, take to the top. If the new 7 ends up being anything like Lightning, that would make for about a 40 minute ride to the top on a typical day!
I hope everyone who is concerned about this now submitted comments on the UMP that was previously posted:
Belleayre Draft 2022 Unit Management Plan
ORDA has posted the draft 2022 UMP for Belleayre here: https://orda.org/belleayre-draft-2022-umpa/ Public comment is open until August 24. Highlights include a new Lift 7 that loads below the top of lift 1 (Lightning) so skiers can get off 1 and load 7 to get to the top. Included in that is...
nyskiblog.com
TheGreatAbyss
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That would suck. The whole point of 7 and 8 is to NOT have to ski the runout.
Ripitz
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A mid-station would be best for the most access to the intermediate trails. Encouraging intermediates to go to the top with a new trail is a big mistake. It’s going to be an icy luge no matter how they cut it. Look at Deer Run, it’s down right dangerous by the end of the day and needs to be widened.
The Lightning lift is terrible. Since they run it without the carpet, the ride time is way too long, especially for the ski-wees. Not sure if they ever plan on running the carpet but I haven’t seen it run this year. Without one, it should also have a midstation at the top of the liftline headwall where Iroquois starts. That way beginners have a shorter lap and experienced skiers can cut over Easy In to the Express lift.
When I’m skiing the lower trails with Peanut we access them from the gondola by taking Route 9 all the way across to Boring Brook. I’d rather skate the whole ridge and ski down around Overlook to get to them than ride that Not Lightning lift.
The Lightning lift is terrible. Since they run it without the carpet, the ride time is way too long, especially for the ski-wees. Not sure if they ever plan on running the carpet but I haven’t seen it run this year. Without one, it should also have a midstation at the top of the liftline headwall where Iroquois starts. That way beginners have a shorter lap and experienced skiers can cut over Easy In to the Express lift.
When I’m skiing the lower trails with Peanut we access them from the gondola by taking Route 9 all the way across to Boring Brook. I’d rather skate the whole ridge and ski down around Overlook to get to them than ride that Not Lightning lift.
