Windham Mountain Going Private?

[raisingarizona]

We all pay enough taxes. No need for new ones.

New Jersey, New York and California most definitely don’t need more taxes!

 

[tirolski]

Look into Morris Chang if you have any interest in manufacturing, semiconductors, global supply chains, etc. Dude more or less was single handedly responsible for offshoring semiconductor manufacturing to Taiwan. All because the good ole boys at Texas Instruments couldn't embrace diversity in the workplace.

Micron’s coming to Clay NY, allegedly.

 

[Milo Maltbie]

Billionaire Bill Ziff spent decades building an arboretum with houses and ponds on his 2,000 acre estate in Pawling. At one point he had 350 people working there making him the largest employer in Dutchess County aside from IBM. Was he not a job creator?

I remember that. He put a 5MW substation in to power it. (5MW is what they put in to power the new hotel and lifts at Steaux). I had a small contract there but I never saw the place. The boss told me it was way impressive.

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[Milo Maltbie]

Folks in the Town of Morehouse in Hamilton County NY didn’t even have one kid enrolled in the whole town & folks still had to pay “school tax” in addition to their property tax.

I'm OK with that. The point of public education is not to educate your own kids, it's to educate everyone else's so that you don't end up living in a country full of ignorant people. So far it's working imperfectly.

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[tirolski]

I'm OK with that. The point of public education is not to educate your own kids, it's to educate everyone else's so that you don't end up living in a country full of ignorant people. So far it's working imperfectly.

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Housing is mainly camps, but some folks live there year round.
Ya gotta be tough and like snow, cold and quiet. It’s a bit east of the Tug Hill.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Housing is mainly camps, but some folks live there year round.
Ya gotta be tough and like snow, cold and quiet. It’s a bit east of the Tug Hill.
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It's great sled riding there

 

[Milo Maltbie]

Housing is mainly camps, but some folks live there year round.
Ya gotta be tough and like snow, cold and quiet. It’s a bit east of the Tug Hill.
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I'm still OK with them paying school taxes like everyone else.
Back to the OP, in a Skiology interview, Chip Seamans said that peak days at Windham were 7 or 8 thousand before the pandemic, and they reduced that to 4500 last season. Next year they're looking to reduce it to 4000. That implies either a big increase in the window rate or fewer Ikon reservations.
I don't think they're really gonna ditch Ikon, but they'll talk about it to create some leverage to renegotiate the deal with Alterra.

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[x10003q]

Vacancy tax is hardly a new concept and not an idea of mine. I responded as one possible option when Harvey asked what can be done. Google search vacancy taxes. You'll see they're in use, or being discussed by some localities because affordable housing isn't available for the working classes needed to sustain the town or region.

Vacancy tax is being used in a handful high density cities due to some property owners warehousing their units. It is not clear if a vacancy tax works to force owners who are not renting out their units to rent the unit out. Trying to implement a vacancy tax at a seasonal/vacation area seems like an impossible task due to the very seasonal nature of the units and built in the lack of usage. How many days do I have to use my unit? Who would track my personal usage of my unit? How much would it cost to run a vacancy tax system?

Places like Bannf addressed this another way by having requirements to own/reside then you must work in service of the visitors.\

Banff is inside a Canadian National Park and all property in the Banff Park is subject to leasehold title ownership meaning the Canadian Govt is leasing the land out underneath the home/buildings. You know what you are in for when you buy property in this area.

To be clear I'm not for redistribution of wealth as you seemed to imply about yourself. I don't want someone else's money. I'm just for not having a small class of people own everything at the expense of the masses. It's haunting many areas already and has been discussed on this site.

Owning a home at a ski area or a resort area does not mean you are rich.
I bought at Gore in the late 1980s because I could not afford to buy a house where I lived and worked in NJ. The Gore unit was in a rental program for most of the time I owned it in order to help me pay for the unit. I never skied holidays because that was where most of the unit's rental income came from. There were seasons of minimal rental usage, plus, I could not use the unit due to job/kids/money/life/crap skiing and it sat vacant. Should I have paid more taxes during those low vacancy years? FYI - I owned a townhouse with no land and paid twice the property tax amount of similarly sized or bigger houses with land in North Creek, all while using zero town resources.

I do not think there is a fair way to have a vacancy tax in a resort area.

 

[x10003q]

First time posting here...as someone who skis at Hunter I am very concerned about what this will mean for the already excruciating Saturday lift lines.

Hunter's lines are self inflicted due to minimizing Hunter West.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

20 years ago we used to say "Nobody gets fired for recommending IBM." Referring to computer purchases.

Now it's "nobody gets fired for recommending Cisco."