The Definitive Solution to the Upstate NY Question

Fair enough.

The two times I skied until last chair at Belle, we've gone to Peekamoose arriving about 4:30. Wait 30 mins for them to open, and then when they let us in they told us they weren't really ready yet, so we left. (Long ride home.)

How's the food?
 
At one time I spent a lot of time traveling around Western NY, Ohio and Indiana. Rochester was definitely in the Midwest. The most obvious clue was that in the morning you couldn't get any kind of hard roll or bagel or any kind of pastry that wasn't covered with sticky sugar icing. It totally disrupted my morning routine.

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At one time I spent a lot of time traveling around Western NY, Ohio and Indiana. Rochester was definitely in the Midwest. The most obvious clue was that in the morning you couldn't get any kind of hard roll or bagel or any kind of pastry that wasn't covered with sticky sugar icing. It totally disrupted my morning routine.

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There's also the soda vs pop thing
 
What is a cultural region? Accent?
You know what? I may have looked at your map and jumped to a conclusion. It looks very much like a map of American Linguistic regions I’ve seen before. Western New York is indeed part of the northern Midwest group- folks that call soda pop and say “eh“ and stuff.
 
Turns out Rochester is actually part of the midwest:

North Merica has 9 nations according to the author but it was a few decades ago. Things could’ve changed, allegedly.
 
NY just got our 1st female Governor & 1st Governor in a 100 years (Nate Miller was from Groton, graduated college in Cortland) from Upstate in the same person.

If ya count Hamburg Upstate.
She’s a Cuse grad.
 
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