ORDA's Biggest Mistakes
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Tonto said to The Lone Ranger, when they were surrounded by Indians, “Whatdya mean We?".
Here’s some old ”news”.
North Creek Ski Bowl to get significant upgrade - Adirondack Explorer
Proposed $30M North Creek Ski Bowl project seen as path to year-round tourism for this part of the Adirondacks.
www.adirondackexplorer.org
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Peter Minde
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That ORDA dude who called a town councilman a liar. Not a technique to win friends and influence people.
On the other side, by revising the MOU, the town is moving the goal posts. I live too far away from North Creek to know everything going on, but from here, that's not a good look.
Wondering if this has something to do with ORDA deciding to build its own septic system for the new lodge.
Campgottagopee
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If only an ORDA board member would buy property in North Creek.
Peter Minde
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That might help. I don't know whether the new lodge is a boondoggle or not. But let me tell ya, ya haven't lived if you've never been in the old lodge when 600 kids show up for a high school sectional race.
The sentence in the "old news" explorer piece linked above regarding the APA spokesperson ... it’s gonna be hooked to existing water and sewer. Could be telling. It’s about midway thru the piece.
Who knows SEQR &/or SPDES permits?
gregmarx
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I've read this article a few times trying to make sense of it and I can't really get past that. An MOU isn't exactly a contract but unless I'm mistaken it's a formal articulation of a general agreement between two sides. I suppose if there's a change in municipal leadership and you don't like what the old guard agreed to you can explore what avenues you have to get out of the agreement and what penalties you might have to deal with. But passing a "new MOU" that your counterparty rejects... is that even a thing?
The reporting from Jan 2025 about ORDA's plan to build a septic system spells this out a little more, says the original plan was to tie into a private system planned by this FrontStreet Mountain developer, but that system "became unavailable to ORDA." Possibly bc it was never built? Same article says FrontStreet is now waiting to see how new Ski Bowl does in terms of attracting visitors before moving ahead with its hotel plans.
In any case by mid 2023, before groundbreaking on the lodge, the town and ORDA had a deal for the lodge to tie in to a new municipal system that the town was gonna build. Seems pretty clear that the town needed this system (or some new solution) anyway, given that raw sewage was leaking over the Main Street mural. But the town hasn't gotten the system built and is now trying to change the terms of its deal with ORDA to get ORDA to pay more.
There is plenty of recent evidence of ORDA mismanaging its relationships with private contractors, so always reason to be suspicious that ORDA screwed up. And maybe it was a big mistake to undertake a project like this that was subject to the whims of electoral politics and/or effective governance in a town of 2,000 people. But at least from the articles linked in this thread, sounds to me the town deserves more of the blame in the current pissing match. Am I missing something?
Seems ORDA’s dude talked about pumping stuff to Front Street’s system this summer so something exists. Who knows? Check out the TOJ Comp Plan Utube.
Anybody ever see a UMP containing the new lodge?
They made Front Street do an Environmental Impact Statement for their project.
It’s like herding cats with one of splittin to an island in Maine.
Johnsburg Supervisor Andrea Hogan to resign in mid-February
NORTH CREEK | Andrea Hogan has served as town supervisor and APA commissioner for years -- and now she's taking her life in "a different direction."
suncommunitynews.com
gregmarx
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Yeah, I get that she was a big local booster of the project originally and she's gone. But a different guy was supervisor when the deal was announced about the lodge connecting with the town wastewater facility. Yet another guy is supervisor now, and apparently in ORDA's version of events he's part of the problem. But also apparently, the current supervisor just lost his election to the guy who succeeded Hogan. Which makes the "new MOU" thing even crazier to me, why would ORDA negotiate new terms with a guy who's fighting with them when a guy who they've worked ok with before is on the way back in? Especially when they've got more pressing problems... like figuring out how people are gonna use the toilet at the ski bowl in a couple weeks
