ORDA's Biggest Mistakes

[tirolski]

Another orda scam...

https://www.timesunion.com/hudsonvalley/news/article/belleayre-expansion-contract-orda-empire-core-19971947.php

Whata$hit$how.

Meanwhile Stewart’s got the red tape completed, knocked down the old Nojaim’s grocery store in Marcellus & put up a shiny nice brand new store complete with $2.94/gal pumps and had their grand opening. Free coffees to boot. Took em ~half a year...

Snapped a pic of the local deer grazing on the fresh grass by their new retention pond out back yesterday.

 

[Peter Minde]

I don't fully understand, or I missed it?

If the contractor was canned for being behind on the project, who is finishing the job?

Is Belle gonna be a 100% uphill facility this winter?

 

[Peter Minde]

Whata$hit$how.

Meanwhile Stewart’s got the red tape completed, knocked down the old Nojaim’s grocery store in Marcellus & put up a shiny nice brand new store complete with $2.94/gal pumps and had their grand opening. Free coffees to boot. Took em ~half a year...View attachment 26595
Snapped a pick of the local deer grazing on the fresh grass by their new retention pond out back yesterday.

Inquiring minds want to know why gas is so much more expensive in the Tri-Lakes than out by you or in Plattsburgh.

 

[Brownski]

Hard to say exactly but easy to speculate. Fewer places to buy gas would lessen competitive pressure of course. But that doesn’t lead necessarily to greed as the reason. There are a lot of other variables too. The gas taxes would be the same per gallon I think but property values and property taxes might higher? I don’t know. Station owners may have to pay more to get people to show up to work there. You have to figure it takes the same number of employees to keep a gas station open so they probably have to cover roughly the same number of worker hours per week as a station in Plattsburgh. Other basic overhead expenses like pump maintenance are probably the same or higher in Saranac. If the average station in there does 70% of the volume in Plattsburgh’s average station, it would require the owner to operate at a higher margin to cover his overhead and make the same income as a station owner in a Plattsburgh. I don’t think selling gas is a particularly high margin business.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Inquiring minds want to know why gas is so much more expensive in the Tri-Lakes than out by you or in Plattsburgh.

I don't truly know the answer but it's been my experience that most goods are more in the north country

 

[Q*bert Jones IV]

LoL
No big surprise
What is surprising is they terminated the contract due to, "not timely work completion". Right, because ORDA is always on schedule. What a joke.

The impression I get (unadulterated pure virgin speculation) is that a small housebuilding firm in Westchester bid $4 million below what the large-scale builders who do giant state jobs were willing to bid. The State chose the lowest bidder. (They may even be legally obliged to choose the lowest bidder?) At some point in the middle of the project, everyone realized that they were way, way out of their depth which led to acrimony and lawsuits.

 

[Endoftheline]

Inquiring minds want to know why gas is so much more expensive in the Tri-Lakes than out by you or in Plattsburgh.

Got that right, tri lakers are getting hosed big time. 50 cents less in Plattsburgh? Even out in Star Lake, serious middle of nowhere, 30-40 cents less than tri lakes? Potsdam/Canton also getting hosed like the tri lakes but Malone is way less? Makes absolutely no sense.

 

[x10003q]

Hard to say exactly but easy to speculate. Fewer places to buy gas would lessen competitive pressure of course. But that doesn’t lead necessarily to greed as the reason. There are a lot of other variables too. The gas taxes would be the same per gallon I think but property values and property taxes might higher? I don’t know. Station owners may have to pay more to get people to show up to work there. You have to figure it takes the same number of employees to keep a gas station open so they probably have to cover roughly the same number of worker hours per week as a station in Plattsburgh. Other basic overhead expenses like pump maintenance are probably the same or higher in Saranac. If the average station in there does 70% of the volume in Plattsburgh’s average station, it would require the owner to operate at a higher margin to cover his overhead and make the same income as a station owner in a Plattsburgh. I don’t think selling gas is a particularly high margin business.

also -

The delivery cost of the gasoline is a big variable. It matters how far the station is from the fuel depot/pipeline/refinery. The distance plus the limits of the roads to get to the station plus the station size affects the capacity/weight and frequency of the tanker deliveries. I would guess there is some kind of fuel depot/fuel pipeline near Plattsburgh International due it its prior use as an Air Force Base. It was a Strategic Air Command Base from the mid 1950s until 1992. There were refueling squadrons there for the same time period. Those old jets drank fuel.

 

[Peter Minde]

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The delivery cost of the gasoline is a big variable. It matters how far the station is from the fuel depot/pipeline/refinery. The distance plus the limits of the roads to get to the station plus the station size affects the capacity/weight and frequency of the tanker deliveries. I would guess there is some kind of fuel depot/fuel pipeline near Plattsburgh International due it its prior use as an Air Force Base. It was a Strategic Air Command Base from the mid 1950s until 1992. There were refueling squadrons there for the same time period. Those old jets drank fuel.

I figured delivery cost had something to do with it. I'll admit to ignorance on how the retail gas biz works. Between Keene, LP, SL, Tupper Lake..... I'm thinking there's 10 gas stations total. I might be missing some in Tupper Lake.

There's a cool museum at the old Plattsburgh air force base.

 

[Green light]

When the Base was still in Plattsburgh, the fuel was brought up the Hudson then the Champlain Canal and up the lake by barge. Now gas and diesel are trucked to P’burg and even to Malone from Albany. Yeah, that Circle K in Star Lake is the cheapest, and in the middle of nowhere.