ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Milo Maltbie]

The only thing that makes an ICE motor complicated started whenever they hooked up sensors to them.

Have you ever seen a Model A motor? or an early 80's carburetor motor with vacuum controlled ignition and EGR? Or an automatic transmission for that matter? But sure, EVs are hopelessly complicated.

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[Milo Maltbie]

None of us will be around if and when that ever happens.

Don't be so sure. Isn't Sno still hanging out here? What is he, 16 years old or something?

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[Brownski]

Some day your Camaro will break down in the Dacks and they will send a Rivian tow truck to tow you to a museum to fix it.

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I doubt it. Maybe an electric F series though

 

[Ripitz]

No I envision being stuck. Calling them and having someone tell you to unplug it and plug it back in. Lol.

This kept me laughing all day

 

[DomB]

OK guys what are the open questions? : )

 

[DomB]

1. Warranty: consistent with luxury brands, including maximum degradation of battery range of 70% over 8 years/175k miles. So on a full charge in 8 years, they warrant you will still get 219 miles of range with road tires.

Source: https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-warranty-coverage-on-a-new-rivian

2. Cold weather driving: In conserve mode (which I don't know much about) in the EPA tests, there was a 27% hit to range. In normal mode it appears to be 40%. If true, this is pretty good for an EV.

Rivian technical nuggets gleaned from EPA application docs

Major takeaways (from Rivian EPA application docs): Confirmed 108s pack architecture using 5A (nominal) 21700 cells. Modules are 8p yielding 40A ea. Nominal voltage of 400, max charging voltage of ~450V. DCFC Max of 210 kW Testing done in conserve and sport mode (then averaged) Conserve mode...

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3. Who will rescue me when my weak EV breaks? Rivian Membership appears to cover getting stuck on and offroad; if offroad, they will come extract you. If you drive an run out of range, they will send a charge to you. (I think). Membership seems to be free for a year. I have no idea how much it may cost.

Membership - Rivian

Rivian Membership is designed to bring us closer to the natural world and also to one another, helping us create more impact together.

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4. Who can I rescue? Check out Motor Trend's series on the cross-continental TransAmerica Offroad trail. In part 2 at 7:27, they come across a stuck Chevy truck and pull it out. (I am winking at you Camp - yes from the soft sands of North Carolina beaches to the rocky gravel of the Oregon coast); R1T can tow 11,000 lbs.

 

[Harvey]

The only thing that makes an ICE motor complicated started whenever they hooked up sensors to them.

What do the sensors do?

 

[tirolski]

might get some methane too!

Ya might be able to call it a hybrid too.

 

[Campgottagopee]

What do the sensors do?

In an ICE the majority of them have to do with emissions. When one goes bad is when your CEL comes on. You can still drive your car when it's on, but if it's flashing that means the computer has sensed a misfire and most cars will go into limp mode. Limp mode will get you off the side of the road but not very fast. At least you aren't stranded.

 

[Campgottagopee]

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