ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[DomB]

No doubt people pay attention to the initial sticker.

Imagine someone needs a {product} and they can't afford a {specific brand)? They will likely buy something cheaper.

How much is the cheapest tesla? How much is the cheapest car? I don't know the pricing but I bet the difference is significant.

There is probably an ICE out there that is about 30k or less with tax brand new.

Financing is also a crazy thing: it boosts the economy and prices by making so many things affordable, but can become a consumer trap. Yet debt/financing carefully used is a wonderful thing. Got me educated, some lucky home purchase choices. But some of that was just fear of bad debt generally. And on the other side of the equation, debt (bonds) allows people to diversify their asset allocation.

 

[DomB]

I believe they changed it so it is a reduced rate until next summer and then the full sales tax rate.

This is a real issue - as EV sales pick up, it is going to be harder to provide a subsidy. Though frankly this seems very reasonable to me. EV's are not going anywhere so why should all tax payers pay to support them? (Not trying to cause a massive political debate). I do think the federal level subsiday is material to EV sales now. But man, the state plus federal incentives are something people don't seem to consider when buying as much as they perhaps should.

On a lower price but good EV like a Blazer (name? - the compact Chevy SUV that succeeded the bolt) you could save over 10k on a 35k car.

 

[TheGreatAbyss]

This is a real issue - as EV sales pick up, it is going to be harder to provide a subsidy. Though frankly this seems very reasonable to me. EV's are not going anywhere so why should all tax payers pay to support them? (Not trying to cause a massive political debate). I do think the federal

Because we already MASSIVELY subsidize oil and gas companies to destroy our planet and make us less healthy:

https://www.nrdc.org/sites/default/files/restore-clean-energy-incentives-big-oil-FS.pdf

People just don't realize it cause the subsidy is not at the point of the consumer transaction.

 

[DomB]

Because we already MASSIVELY subsidize oil and gas companies to destroy our planet and make us less healthy:

https://www.nrdc.org/sites/default/files/restore-clean-energy-incentives-big-oil-FS.pdf

People just don't realize it cause the subsidy is not at the point of the consumer transaction.

Ok, ok don’t get mad at me. My bad.

 

[Brownski]

We’re not destroying the planet.

 

[MarzNC]

I am coming in on two years of owning the Rivian and the only required service has been inspection and a tire rotation or two. I have spent a bit more but still less than ICE because I swap in and out winter tires out of caution. Usually that costs around 250-300 per year plus 1000 of tire cost amortized over probably 6 or 7 years (the cost and wear of the winter tires). Arguably that 1000 doesn't count because it delays buying new year round tires as I end up getting about 7500 on each go round (winter tires and then summer) because of my ski habit.

Does that mean with a comparable ICE vehicle you wouldn't bother with winter tires?

 

[Campgottagopee]

Just took my Alltrack to the stealership for it's last service under warranty at 40K miles. $1500!!!! For routine maintenance!!!!
Half of it was fluid change of the DSG transmission. So glad my Tesla doesn't even have a transmission.

People pay too much attention to the initial sticker price and not the life time cost of ownership when comparing ICE vs EVs.

LoL
People also for get about depreciation when buying a EV.

 

[Andy_ROC]

We’re not destroying the planet.

The planet will be fine once we're gone. We're destroying ourselves. Humans are but a pimple on a boars ass.

 

[DomB]

Does that mean with a comparable ICE vehicle you wouldn't bother with winter tires?

Yes but that is a quirky rivian thing: after I bought I got winter tires because of the weight. But then after they came out with a snow mode that obviated the need in many winter cases for winter tires.

That said I probably always should have had winter tires.

When a heavy vehicle breaks traction it takes longer to regain it.
In snow mode with winter tires I really can’t get it to skid.