ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

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WOW. Skip ahead to about 15 mins if you want to see the truck. Very cool IMO.
 
For what it’s worth
My daughter’s project at work is to design a 6000 space employee parking lot For the new rivian factory in Arizona. I guess they are going full in.
 
WOW. Skip ahead to about 15 mins if you want to see the truck. Very cool IMO.

Ford Debuts Electric F-150

Ford unveiled the battery-powered version of its F-150 pickup, joining other auto makers in the nascent electric-truck segment. The F-150 Lightning undercuts several rivals with a starting price around $40,000. Photo: Dominick Sokotoff/Zuma Press
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Mike Colias

Ford Motor Co. F -0.25% plans to undercut several rival producers of electric pickup trucks when its battery-powered F-150 goes on sale next year.
The company revealed prices for its newest truck—the first fully electric version of its top-selling and most-profitable vehicle—during an event Wednesday evening at its Dearborn, Mich., headquarters.
The company said the F-150 Lightning will have a starting price of $39,974 when it arrives in showrooms next year, significantly below that of some other electric trucks slated to hit the market. That is before tax credits are factored in.

Production of the new electric pickup is expected to start next spring in Michigan, the company said.

Ford’s F -0.25% strategy diverges from that of most other companies entering the nascent electric-truck segment. While several traditional auto makers and startups are preparing to roll out sporty, adventure-theme pickups at higher prices, Ford wants to attract fleet buyers, who generally prefer no-frills trucks that are cheaper to operate.
“That is a lot of truck for that starting point,” said Darren Palmer, Ford’s general manager of battery electric vehicles, adding that it will accelerate faster than any F-150 that Ford has made. “People are just making their first moves into electric, and we want to tempt them.”
Buyers of a base-model F-150 Lightning could qualify for a $7,500 federal tax credit that would push the price into the low $30,000s, similar to that of a gasoline-fueled truck. That price should help entice buyers who might hesitate to buy a plug-in truck, said Stephanie Brinley, an analyst at the research firm IHS Markit.
“The pricing overlaps enough with an internal-combustion F-150 to make it more palatable for a consumer,” she said.
The pickup-truck category looms as an important area of contention as auto makers race to develop electric vehicles, prodded by tightening environmental regulations and Tesla Inc.’s rapid rise.
While there are no electric pickups from major auto makers on the market today, some are expected to go on sale in the next 18 months, including the F-150 Lightning, as well as entries from Tesla, General Motors Co. , and the startup Rivian Automotive.
GM later this year plans to release an off-road electric Hummer pickup under its GMC brand, with a starting price of around $113,000. GM is also developing an electric version of its Chevrolet Silverado, which competes with the F-150. The company hasn’t given details on prices or a release date.
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The pickup-truck category looms as an important area of contention as auto makers race to develop electric vehicles.​

PHOTO: CARLOS OSORIO/ASSOCIATED PRESS
Rivian, a California-based startup that has backing from Ford, is expected to launch next month a $75,000 electric pickup designed for buyers who like the outdoors.
Tesla’s futuristic-looking Cybertruck pickup is priced at around $39,900, which would be about the same as the F-150 Lightning. A version of the Cybertruck with two electric motors as well as four-wheel-drive capability similar to that of Ford’s truck costs about $49,900.
Several small startups are developing electric pickups. Ohio-based Lordstown Motors Corp. has said it would begin production later this year of a $52,000 pickup for commercial customers.
Michigan-based Bollinger Motors has set a $125,000 price for a boxy electric pickup truck.
As Ford gets ready to roll out the new electric pickup, the company is still confronting a chip shortage that has led to reduced shifts and temporary shutdowns at many of its U.S. factories this spring.

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On Wednesday, Ford said it would idle plants in Michigan and Missouri that make gasoline-versions of the F-150 pickup truck for two weeks starting May 31. It also said it is planning more downtime at several other assembly plants, including its sport-utility vehicle factory in Chicago.
The high price of electric vehicles is a major barrier for customers thinking about making a switch from the gasoline engine. Tesla has broadened its appeal over the years to mass-market buyers by rolling out lower-priced models, helping to spur electric-vehicle sales. The Tesla Model 3, for instance, starts at about $39,500.
Ford executives said they are able to offer the lower starting price in part because the electric F-150 shares many common parts with the gasoline-version, helping it save on development costs.
On Tuesday, President Biden visited Ford’s truck plant in Dearborn, where the new electric F-150 will be built. He used the facility to pitch his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, which includes funding for electric vehicles, and test-drove a vehicle that the White House said was the F-150 Lightning.
Ford took the Lightning name from its 1990s line of performance-truck models that used big, gas-guzzling engines. Ford has said the new electric truck will go faster than those models, going from zero to 60 mph in about 4.5 seconds.

WOW. Skip ahead to about 15 mins if you want to see the truck. Very cool IMO.

This one's for camp:

On Wednesday, Ford said it would idle plants in Michigan and Missouri that make gasoline-versions of the F-150 pickup truck for two weeks starting May 31. It also said it is planning more downtime at several other assembly plants, including its sport-utility vehicle factory in Chicago.

The high price of electric vehicles is a major barrier for customers thinking about making a switch from the gasoline engine. Tesla has broadened its appeal over the years to mass-market buyers by rolling out lower-priced models, helping to spur electric-vehicle sales. The Tesla Model 3, for instance, starts at about $39,500.

Ford executives said they are able to offer the lower starting price in part because the electric F-150 shares many common parts with the gasoline-version, helping it save on development costs.

On Tuesday, President Biden visited Ford’s truck plant in Dearborn, where the new electric F-150 will be built. He used the facility to pitch his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, which includes funding for electric vehicles, and test-drove a vehicle that the White House said was the F-150 Lightning.

Ford took the Lightning name from its 1990s line of performance-truck models that used big, gas-guzzling engines. Ford has said the new electric truck will go faster than those models, going from zero to 60 mph in about 4.5 seconds.
 
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For what it’s worth
My daughter’s project at work is to design a 6000 space employee parking lot For the new rivian factory in Arizona. I guess they are going full in.
Ok, that is cool, spending some of the seed dough.

Camp - you got your electric that looks like a truck, and will be 33k entry after tax credit from FORD. When are you buying? Can you even buy a 150 for 33 k?
 
Camp - you got your electric that looks like a truck, and will be 33k entry after tax credit from FORD. When are you buying? Can you even buy a 150 for 33 k?

Buying??? 2000andNEVER!
LOL
Whenever I have to buy a truck it's going to be a beater with a heater. My new kick is I want a E350 w/ a diesel running on 33's, all decked out as a snowmobile pullin machine!
 
The idea that Ford is going to even produce a $39k pickup is laughable. Good luck finding one.
Tesla pulled the same crap with the Model 3.
 
The idea that Ford is going to even produce a $39k pickup is laughable. Good luck finding one.
Tesla pulled the same crap with the Model 3.

What factors drive up the price? Demand, everybody wants it? Or...

Who gets the "extra" money?
 
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