Hometown USA: Glens Falls, NY

What is wrong with Warrensburg?
First answer: nothing; it’s fine.

second answer: it does not have the employment base that GF/Q has. It does not have a beautiful lake attached to it like LGV/BL. It does not have a large state run ski facility, or the Hudson River Gorge, or wilderness areas like up in Jburg. It is a gateway town and “secondary regional service center”, so there is a grocery store and healthcare facilities, but they are not high quality. It’s socioeconomics are not great......high percentage of low income single parent households, a school system without many high income second home owners to tax. A faded mill town along the Schroon but without the riverfront brick buildings that developers like to restore. A busy main street that not only bisects the residential neighborhoods but struggles to draw people on their way into the park out of their vehicles.

Don’t get me wrong, it worked fine for us at the time. I actually miss being able to wander out the door and around the block and up Hackensack Mountain. And all that smoked meat.....and those ridiculously huge sandwiches.
 
The longer you live in Upstate NY, the further behind you fall. My brother always lived in places with "crazy house prices" and now he lives in a waterfront house in a wealthy community, and I still live in Upstate NY. All the profits I've made in real estate in 50 years wouldn't pay for the boat he keeps on his dock.
That depends what is of greater value to you, time or money. I see both sides.....the money may bring more freedom and flexibility, but you seem to have had the time to enjoy what your brother is just starting to enjoy.

Like saving for retirement, it's funny that these things relate back to the question, "how long do I think I'm going to live?"
 
Maybe worth starting another thread or building off another that is more on topic, but what do people think about a West Mountain season pass for $499? It seems steep for what it is but the ability to get some turns after work would be huge! Issue is, I'd also want the Ski3 for weekends and then that starts to get a little crazy, $1308/season. Yikes
I've thought about a West Mountain pass from time to time. The drive is about half as far as Gore for me, which is just a little too much. My main interest was making it my work-from-home office, but I'm retired now. Except for there race programs, the skiing there isn't that interesting, but sometimes I spent a couple of hours in the morning there to sort out equipment or just to relax. I would sign up in a heartbeat if I had a group of friends who wanted to meet there a couple of mornings a week.
If I owned that place, I'd market it like a WeWork office. I'd have superfast wifi and printers, and even have a room with a green wall so you could put up a picture of your own kitchen for Zoom meetings.

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That depends what is of greater value to you, time or money. I see both sides.....the money may bring more freedom and flexibility, but you seem to have had the time to enjoy what your brother is just starting to enjoy.
Money is freedom. I'm OK, but I've known enough people who committed to places with poor economies who ended up in unlivable neighborhoods and not enough resources to move somewhere better.
Fifty years ago my brother decided to have a big career, and I decided to always ski. I think we are both happy with our choices.

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Really sugar coating it there, aren't you? :) Honestly as a backcountry skier (>80%) this is something that I really worry about! I'd lie if we haven't gotten cold feet nearly a dozen times, but now I think we have some momentum and are finally going to pull the plug. I realize how incredibly frivolous and privileged it sounds to be using backcountry skiing as a key metric, but once you've gotten that taste it's hard to shake.


Work or to skiing?


Say more about this please.


This is real. The comparison is laughable. I assume that comes with a catch or two.
We just spent six weeks back east in January and February to get vaccinated, so I got to ski there for the first time in years. Snowed twice. First was good, the second was the unfortunately common occurrence of a nice powder dump with a topping of freezing rain - storms tend to come up from the southwest. Hard to ski, not fun. I don't recall this happening so much thirty years ago. Warmer winters, definitely.
The high peaks down to Route 28 is the area I know for BC skiing. Some fine slide skiing but a lot of miles long approaches on narrow, sometimes steep, hiking trails with sluggish snowshoers to avoid. Don't know about farther south, maybe some good around Lake George?

I spent my time either out the back door on CATS (Champlain Area Trails) trails or driving up I-87 to Lyon Mountain west of Plattsburgh - lots of snow, 2000 foot vertical, you can put your skins on at home and there are user created lines from before the state bought the land and a cutting ban went into effect.

As to commuting - an hour to Gore, two to Whiteface (neither of which I like much), one and a half to Killington. Plenty of weekend traffic. The nearest, maybe best, is Hickory Hill outside of Warrensburg (I patrolled there in high school & college, lively place in those days). Don't know if it's operating or, if it's not, you can go climb it. See some of Harvey's trip reports of ten years ago. Fine hill.

The Vermont BC community has been getting its act together in recent years, creating ski and bike zones and trails on National Forest land on the spine of the Green Mountains. I spent a day on RASTA (https://www.rastavt.org/) trails at Brandon Gap, a little over an hour from Glens Falls. Great fun, well populated on weekends, same crust problem as the Dacks. Brandon is not the only place it's happening. But cutting BC ski lines on NY state land is currently illegal; there's an organization been trying to change this, Adirondack Powder Skiers Association, with no results.

Developing opportunities - see https://www.saratogaplan.org/explore/public-preserves-trails/palmertown/
https://www.betatrails.org/
If you want to visit the Adirondack High Peak region around Keene Valley & Lake Placid in summer, be aware that a serious overcrowding and overuse problem has developed, authorities are cracking down on chaotic trailhead parking, and future restrictions on hiker numbers are likely in prospect -
https://www.dec.ny.gov/images/lands_forests_images/hpacfinalreport.pdf.
We never go there; summer is the work season, off hours get spent on Lake Champlain (ten minutes away) or more local hikes.

Can't speak to GF house prices, but here in BZN there's an ordinary duplex down the street in our ordinary middle class neighborhood for sale at $900K+. No waterfront, no yacht, no room for your horse.
 
We just spent six weeks back east in January and February to get vaccinated, so I got to ski there for the first time in years. Snowed twice. First was good, the second was the unfortunately common occurrence of a nice powder dump with a topping of freezing rain -

Can't speak to GF house prices, but here in BZN there's an ordinary duplex down the street in our ordinary middle class neighborhood for sale at $900K+.
Ya should’ve been able to get a jab in Bozeman Montana. Why fly across America to get vaxed in NY? And don’t make fun of our snow. Skiing is fun here too. February was sweet.
Hope ya made some fine $ from folks house sitting that pad for ya too.
 
Adirondack Powder Skiers Association
As far as I can tell APSA is all about getting NY to allow cutting on Lyon Mountain.

FYI Hickory is done. I have nothing official but I know the owner a bit, and what he is thinking. I supposed he might sell it at some time in the future, but any new owner would face the same issues, little natural snow, no snowmaking and a lift system, that when maxed, could never carry enough skiers to turn a profit. You could invest 15-20 million into Hickory, but you'd still have a ski area at 700 feet that gets 70 inches of snow.
 
As far as I can tell APSA is all about getting NY to allow cutting on Lyon Mountain.

FYI Hickory is done. I have nothing official but I know the owner a bit, and what he is thinking. I supposed he might sell it at some time in the future, but any new owner would face the same issues, little natural snow, no snowmaking and a lift system, that when maxed, could never carry enough skiers to turn a profit. You could invest 15-20 million into Hickory, but you'd still have a ski area at 700 feet that gets 70 inches of snow.
Lyon is history. APSA has been trying to work something out with the authorities (DEC, APA) and the usual array of Adk environmental groups to make it legally possible to design and create environmentally acceptable trails for backcountry skiing at various locations, separate from existing hiking trails . There's been a lot of discussion of design standards which might be mutually satisfactory and some eventual agreement appears possible. There would be no summer use and none of the grading/filling that's done for hiking trails. Legalities are more difficult. BC skiing as it now practiced did not exist when the Adirondack Park State Land Master Plan was written, the hiking and nordic ski trail specifications don't fit, so SLMP amendment may be needed, a heavy bureaucratic lift. Progress has been stalled until there is some final resolution of Protect the Adirondacks' snowmobile trail lawsuit against the DEC.
 
If I owned that place, I'd market it like a WeWork office. I'd have superfast wifi and printers, and even have a room with a green wall so you could put up a picture of your own kitchen for Zoom meetings.

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Careful though, Vail or WeWork might buy it and do just that!
 
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