Driving in NY

I've spoken with a lot of traffic safety experts. Most of them drove faster than me. None of them disouted that speed limits are too low for safety, or that there's generally too many stop signs, hazard signs and traffic lights. They also agreed that distracted driving is as dangerous as driving with a 0.08 BAC.
FWIW I drive the Northway to Gore several days a week in the winter. If I use the cruise control I set it on 78, I get out of the way of tailgaters, and I put the pedal down when I anytime I can to put distance between me and another car. I've never gotten a ticket that way, and I roll by radar almost every trip.

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Oh how many traffic safety experts have you really spoken with. Is somewhat that drives in traffic every day and doesn't get in accidents considered a traffic safety expert? I guess I don't know any traffic experts. Oh I know you've been speaking with Bobo haven't you.
 
That’s quite a can o’ worms to open!

What would be even safer than me bumping up to 82 to expedite the pass would be me traveling at 85 to 90 with no other idiots on the highway! However, much as I might like that I don’t think it’s happening....nor is the Trooper who just clocked me doing 83 going to accept my plea that it was safer to drive that speed because of the idiot riding my ass.

Do we have a resident highway safety expert? I’b bet there are a number of studies out there correlating higher speeds to increased incidence of accidents...as well as with increased severity of injuries and fatalities in higher speed accidents. If it’s statistically safest to limit speeds to 65/70 then maybe speed limits (and traffic enforcement) are more about safety than revenue? If everyone followed the speed limits perhaps we’d all be safer and we’d have better traffic flow?

Most of my highway driving is done above posted speed limits....so I can’t exactly say I’m a proponent/fan of them!
There is an accepted engineering approach to setting speed limits based on the 85th percentile speed—the speed at which 85 percent of free-flowing traffic is traveling at or below. The typical procedure is to set the speed limit at or near the 85th percentile speed of free-flow traffic. Adjustments to either increase or decrease the speed limits may be made depending on infrastructure and traffic conditions.

This method removes large differences between motorists' speeds. When there are large differences between motorists speed there are more accidents. States are usually supposed to use this method, but many times post slower speed limits at the 50th percentile and in many cases lower than 50th percentile due to political pressure. When speed limits are at or lower than the 50th percentile, more than 50% of motorists are now "speeding". This discourages compliance and by extension law enforcement. When a speed limit is set at 55mph (what happened to 60mph??) and the 85th percentile is 70mph, you are going to have a big deviation between drivers. This makes highways less safe.

There are sections of the NYS Thruway, a limited access highway with separated opposing traffic, breakdown lanes and long sightlines, lots of guardrails, where the speed limit is 55mph. At the same time, there are roads like Rt 28 to Gore Mtn from Warrensburg that are one lane in each direction, full of blind hills/turns and opposing traffic, no breakdown lanes, trees, telephone poles, hidden driveways, cross streets, commercial driveways, school bus stops and bicyclists, and the speed limit is 55 mph. How is this possible?

It is possible because highway speed limits are set under the fake notion that slower is "safer", but the reality is there is money to be made. If safety was a real concern, patrol officers would patrol at the posted speed limits, but this would cost money, so officers drive unmarked vehicles, hide and use radar to randomly ticket "speeders" in the name of safety.
 
Love me a good driving thread.

I wonder about that very short section of 287, when you are coming southbound, and cross over the border in NJ. It drops to 55 for just a few hundred yards, and then goes back up to 65. I don't get it. The road is straight, uneventful and usually uncrowded as you've just lost the whole Route 17 crowd.

Other sections, like around Morristown, are 55, and that makes sense to me. 8 lanes, exits every ten feet, etc.

Not sure why, but I am happy at 72 on 87. It's no longer an mpg thing. I get great mileage at 78, hard to believe it's the same as at 72 but it sure seems like it is.

To me the key to avoiding tickets is to stay behind someone else, in the right lane.
 
You can drive 72 if you want- in the right lane. Don’t make me me tell my story about driving Home from MRG 3 years ago
 
Another important question is what should the minimum speed be? I think we all agree that the slow pokes should stay in the right lane. The legal minimum is 40 mph on the thruway but that seems crazy dangerous to me, even for the right lane.
 
I’b bet there are a number of studies out there correlating higher speeds to increased incidence of accidents...as well as with increased severity of injuries and fatalities in higher speed accidents.
For sure higher speed is associated with increase severity of injuries and higher chance of a fatal crash. Estimated speed is part of accident reports. Showing that higher average speed is connected to more accidents would be harder. Would have to come up with a method to decide on the average speed for a given density of traffic. I worked at the UNC Highway Safety Research Center while a grad student at UNC back in the late 1970s. Emphasis back then was on the relationship between seat belt usage and injuries/fatalities.

Remember when speed limits were lowered to 55, supposedly to save gas? There was an effect on accident rates I think. I was still at undergrad and not paying that much attention to HSRC research results. I was a statistical programmer, not a researcher assistant.

They also agreed that distracted driving is as dangerous as driving with a 0.08 BAC.
I remember there was a question once about insects as a distraction. We were searching for key words like "bee" or "wasp" in the accident reports. Back then it took a special program to search the written comments from the NC Highway Patrol. Had to run the program overnight on the mainframe. Then someone had to read the hits and count the cases that fit the criteria of interest.
 
To me the key to avoiding tickets is to stay behind someone else, in the right lane.
Usually.

I have a good friend who has been working in the long haul trucking industry his entire career. Got his share of tickets while driving cross country full-time as an owner-operator of a flatbed tractor-trailer. One story from out west was what happened when he and another trucker were happily cruising at high speed in the dark. After they saw the flashing lights and pulled over, they noticed that the car that had been following them stopped too. They all got speeding tickets. The car driver lamented out loud that he though he was safe following a truck. ;)

Out west, speed limits are much higher. The first time I drove up to Bridger from Bozeman, I was surprised that the speed limit was 70 on that 2-lane road. Not the curviest mountain road, but not that type of road I expect to be driving over 60. Was glad I went when there wasn't much local traffic since I drove up early in the morning midweek.
 
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