Catskill 4 Area Discussion

It's been so long since I've been to Windham, do they still have a full service restaurant on the top floor of the main lodge? That was a big deal to my father and AFAIK it's the only one in the Cats, if it's a big deal to anyone else.
I haven’t been to Windham in a long time either. I don’t know about the restaurant. I remember when they renovated the lodge though. They advertised their new dedicated workspace for guests. We thought that was the funniest thing that people would go to a ski area and work.

This passed weekend the Sunset Lodge at Belleayre was open and so was the grill. I can’t remember that ever being open with food service. At 3,325ft it must be the highest “restaurant” in the Cats. Could it be the highest in NY?
 
What about the hunter summit lodge. The bunker
 
This passed weekend the Sunset Lodge at Belleayre was open and so was the grill. I can’t remember that ever being open with food service. At 3,325ft it must be the highest “restaurant” in the Cats. Could it be the highest in NY?
The trail map at Gore reports Bear mountain is 3200 ft and their Saddle Lodge is below that.
Only ever had their PBR soup there though, they too have a grill. It’s usually always open when the skiing is open.
 
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I haven’t been to Windham in a long time either. I don’t know about the restaurant. I remember when they renovated the lodge though. They advertised their new dedicated workspace for guests. We thought that was the funniest thing that people would go to a ski area and work.

This passed weekend the Sunset Lodge at Belleayre was open and so was the grill. I can’t remember that ever being open with food service. At 3,325ft it must be the highest “restaurant” in the Cats. Could it be the highest in NY?
Awesome. The burgers and beer are good there (polish bear starts with a T in Liter bottles!).

3-7 years ago it was open fairly regularly once most of the mountain was open. I think the new manager runs it less as he is more bottom line focused (not a criticism an employee told me they bring everything in by snowmobile so that can't be too easy with manpower shortage and wage pressure).
 
It's been so long since I've been to Windham, do they still have a full service restaurant on the top floor of the main lodge? That was a big deal to my father and AFAIK it's the only one in the Cats, if it's a big deal to anyone else.
Yup that restaurant (Seasons) is still open. I've been once...food was good (I think I had a burger and fries).
 
It’s not really fair to leave Catamount out. They’re as close for the majority of metro area skiers and similar in size and quality of terrain. The fact that we call some of the hills Catskills and some Berkshires isn’t really material.

This is an interesting map from Open Snow:

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Comparing it to our directory, it has me thinking.

The Capital Region is a zone we don't have. We've got Maple and Willard in the Adk, which is a stretch, the Capital Region solves that issue.

I know @mikeTaylor1075 wouldn't like being included Downstate.

I also think Woods Valley grouped in the Tug makes some sense. While Woods is not really on the Tug, it's not in the Adk either. We've got it grouped in CNY. But for snowfall, it's Tugish.
 
I understand that the map is designed to show the regions for ski areas; however, I bristle at the yellow circle for Central NY extending into the Southern Tier all the way to the state line below Binghamton. CNY ends at Marathon!
 
I get that you’re trying to make definitive regions or zones but it should look more like a Venn diagram. Holiday Mountain is just as much Catskills as it is Downstate. Catamount may be grouped into the Capitol Region but really belongs in an area not shown called the Taconics which include Berkshire County (Mohawk, Butternut, Bousquet, Otis, Jiminy Peak).
 
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