The Vertical Drop Thread
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True-up sucks.
They don’t even have the "newer" lifts at Song listed in their trail maps.
Got thunderbird T-bar and a J-bar which aren’t actually present.
MarzNC
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Mountain Vertical stopped doing updates a while back, as in 2017. They just chose to leave what they had available. It's not as if the vert change for a given mountain. So once there was something for all the ski areas/resorts, probably not much reason to keep updating.
MarzNC
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Doubt it was an actual algorithm. It was a human looking at maps and perhaps ski forums to imagine what the most popular long run. Then trying to figure out the vert using an online tool.
Guess because I'm a statistician, I wasn't looking for exact numbers. What I use Mountain Vertical for is to see quickly how a mountain compares to others in the same region, or to a place I've been with similar stats (vert, skiable acres). Knowing that that Song and Lab have noticeably less True-up Vertical helps since I've only stopped by the base of Song, Lab, and Greek during off-season. Same for the small hills I've stopped at in New England like Bousquet or Suicide Six.
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Harvey
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I actually think total vert as measured matters even if you can't ski it.
Let's say you are at Gore, in the spring. High temp for North Creek is 35 and it's partly cloudy. The summit could be frozen and the ski bowl could be prime. That's a reason why total vert matters to me.
Let's say you are at Gore, in the spring. High temp for North Creek is 35 and it's partly cloudy. The summit could be frozen and the ski bowl could be prime. That's a reason why total vert matters to me.
MarzNC
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Really somewhat dependent on region and how big the mountains are. Copper has total vert of 2601 and True-Up Vertical Descent of 2410, for a resort in the category 2000-2500 acres. The difference is on the order of 10%. Think anyone cares? What's more interesting is to compare Copper with Keystone. Keystone has more acreage, less True-up Vert, and more total vert. They are both easy driving distance from Dillon, which has good lodging options. If someone has never been to either and is trying to decide where to go, looking up True-up Vert might be worthwhile as another piece of info.
For Massanutten, the difference is 40 ft for 1100 ft vert. Does that really matter from a skiing standpoint? No. But it matters for marketing purposes. At 1100 ft, Massanutten has more vert than any ski area in PA. Using True-Up Vert, Blue Mountain and Blue Knob just beat Massanutten.
You could also say that actual elevation matters. Beech Mountain in NC would not be a ski area if it wasn't at over 5000 ft. Beech is like Plattekill in that total vert and True-up Vert are the same.
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Warp daddy
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Realistically ONLY us ski weinies and geeks give a rats rump about such trivia , and Marz is right, its only Marketing Schlock and doesnt mean a tinkers damn to the average recreational skier who only want good skiable conditions and FUN . You can have fun skiing damn near any thing if the snow is decent .
Hell TITUS often has superior actual conditions to Whiteface , one is a speed bump the other a beast , its is all about having fun to hell with the marketing schlock
Hell TITUS often has superior actual conditions to Whiteface , one is a speed bump the other a beast , its is all about having fun to hell with the marketing schlock
Cork
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The extra 200' is the slides?
