The overland craze is out of control

[Campgottagopee]

The reason people are judged for their vehicles is that typical rides have so little added utility beyond basic transportation that they can only be seen as an expression of one's personality and the way in which one wants to be seen in the world. I passed a McLaren which was driving slow in the ironically named passing lane on the Northway last week. Why did that guy feel the need to hold up traffic in a $250,000 car, if it wasn't just to prove he was richer than me? What use case is better served by an Escalade than a minivan, or even a hatchback with a roof box? It's all just conspicuous consumption to show everyone how you want to be perceived, so don't be offended when they judge you based on that perception.

@Campgottagopee you seem a little butt hurt because you think that people are judging you as an inconsiderate asshole who ignores the concerns of others just because you enjoy large vehicles, but I can assure you that I don't need to know what you drive to form a judgment.





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I'm on the internet and have opinions. I assure you, there are a few on here that I care how they feel about me. You are not one of those people.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Why is it anyone's elses business what another person drives? The safety concerns are your problems.
Some people like fuel economy.. Some lifted trucks.. Other loads of HP.
A bunch of skiers talking about vehicles wastefulness is so obviously hypocritical but here we are

Concur

 

[TheGreatAbyss]

So deaths have been generally dropping steadily since ~1980 until the pandemic.

Well the data only goes to 2021, but it started reversing around 2014/15, almost 10 years ago.

FWIW the EU which tends to prioritize walkable cities, bike lanes, and drive much smaller vehicles hasn't seen the same uptick, but merely a dip in 2020 presumably because people were driving less during the pandemic.

 

[Harvey]

Assuming the methodology is the same (a big assumption), every country in that EU study has way less death per 100,000 than the US.

The US is at 12 deaths per 100,000 and Romania (the worst in the EU) is at 9. The best are below 2.

 

[Andy_ROC]

I really can't see the difference between both pictures. Both ridiculous

 

[Brownski]

What’s wrong with Josh Cabernet? I kinda like it.

Heh heh.. If you like it, then it’s good

 

[not2brite]

You're really not getting the point.

I'd love it if we banned lifted trucks, and SUVs with grilles that come up to my shoulders but that's not happening. We're in a collective arms race. People don't want to put themselves and their families at risk so they buy a tank because they are in a sea of tanks.

And secondly why not put your skis on a roof rack or box? It's so much better then having them in the car, even if they can fit.

I am 100% getting your point. Ban them because you don’t like them? I don’t like Starbucks. They’re overpriced and loaded with sugar, and they are adding to the obesity epidemic in this country. That doesn’t mean it needs to be banned.
Roof rack is a pain in the ass. Skis go in my vehicle in November and come out in April.

 

[Harvey]

Roof rack is a pain in the ass.

Roof rack no bueno for weekend warrior.

Gas mileage is significantly worse (3-5 mpg in my experience) and skis/bindings get covered in road salt.

FWIW skis fit in our Prius better than they do in the CRV.

 

[not2brite]

Roof rack no bueno for weekend warrior.

Gas mileage is significantly worse (3-5 mpg in my experience) and skis/bindings get covered in road salt.

FWIW skis fit in our Prius better than they do in the CRV.

I have seen this mentioned by several people previously. It’s another reason I never gave it serious consideration.

 

[x10003q]

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Deaths per 100k people does not reflect the safety rate. It does not account for the miles driven. The accepted USA safety rate stat is deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled.

A state like Wyoming has a higher than USA average deaths per 100k due to the low population of the state, but a lower than USA average deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. That makes driving in Wyoming safer than the USA average.

NHTSA Estimates for 2022 Show Roadway Fatalities Remain Flat After Two Years of Dramatic Increases | NHTSA

NHTSA released 2022 early estimates for traffic crash deaths. Fatalities remain flat after 2 years of increases; projected declined in fourth quarter.

www.nhtsa.gov

The last column of these IIHS stats has the deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled stat.

Fatality Facts 2022: State by state

A summary of fatality statistics about state by state compiled by IIHS from 2022 Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) data.

www.iihs.org

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