Skiing's Future

[Campgottagopee]

Weapons and whackjobs separately are fine, and often entertaining. Together not so much, especially when it leads to political violence.

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Totally different, imo.
Wackjobs are friggin fun as hell.
Any kind of gun violence, political or not, is carried out by an extremely sick individual that I wouldn't define as a wackjob.

 

[Milo Maltbie]

Totally different, imo.
Wackjobs are friggin fun as hell.
Any kind of gun violence, political or not, is carried out by an extremely sick individual that I wouldn't define as a wackjob.

I used to believe that. People with serious grievances who resort to violence are not necessarily crazy, but political violence in the US seemed unthinkable to me. Now I’m not so sure about that.

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[raisingarizona]

Montana : Had several friends MOVE from that state for a variety of reasons , but right now too damn many ultra right wing whack jobs who want to destroy the country formerly known as AMERICA. For many there it is becoming strictly ' Murrikka there these days ......


Uh no thanks i do not mind dissent and differing opinions but Extremist whackjobs with extreme causes and an abundance of weaponry are simply a bridge too far for this guy .

Well, to be fair there’s a whole lot of people in Montana that may disagree with your politics and don’t go out shooting up schools or churches. Like…..99.99999%

Also, they are pretty fed up with coastal people moving there and trying to change it to be more like where they came from. No offense to anyone on here but liberals from California or New York can seem awfully extreme to a fourth gen Montana cowboy. The can come off as down right arrogant and with little concept of blending, adapting and trying to understand the people there. Put yourself in their shoes. I get how they can feel confrontational with the transplants and are probably acting more extreme than they actually are to simply, f with the city folk.

This can be even more infuriating when the reason a lot of them have left where they came from is often related to policies passed by the political party they identify as.

 

[Warp daddy]

Well, to be fair there’s a whole lot of people in Montana that may disagree with your politics and don’t go out shooting up schools or churches. Like…..99.99999%

Also, they are pretty fed up with coastal people moving there and trying to change it to be more like where they came from. No offense to anyone on here but liberals from California or New York can seem awfully extreme to a fourth gen Montana cowboy. The can come off as down right arrogant and with little concept of blending, adapting and trying to understand the people there. Put yourself in their shoes. I get how they can feel confrontational with the transplants and are probably acting more extreme than they actually are to simply, f with the city folk.

This can be even more infuriating when the reason a lot of them have left where they came from is often related to policies passed by the political party they identify as.

I think you totally misread my statement : the key word is and the defining concern is "EXTREMIST " not concerned at all with right center to left center idiation

Hell i live and feel comfortable in a RED state County

 

[tirolski]

Well, to be fair there’s a whole lot of people in Montana that may disagree with your politics and don’t go out shooting up schools or churches. Like…..99.99999%

Also, they are pretty fed up with coastal people moving there and trying to change it to be more like where they came from. No offense to anyone on here but liberals from California or New York can seem awfully extreme to a fourth gen Montana cowboy. The can come off as down right arrogant and with little concept of blending, adapting and trying to understand the people there. Put yourself in their shoes. I get how they can feel confrontational with the transplants and are probably acting more extreme than they actually are to simply, f with the city folk.

Uncle worked for USFS in Missoula.
I remember going fishing with him up in the mountains one day.
A local Salish or Kootenai from the Rez stopped in his pick up coming the other way on a dirt road on the Rez.
I was riding shotgun.
They exchanged pleasantries and I still remember him saying, ya might be some big shot in Missoula but up here ya ain’t shit.
It was true and mostly for my benefit. He might’ve been a cowboy too.

 

[tirolski]

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[Andy_ROC]

It's not that they don't "have room" (as defined by the author). Its whether those who live in those roomy places NOW want to share. DO NOT COUNT ON IT! Montana seems to be basically empty to you and me, yet nobody but real estate agents welcome the rich who are moving in here, driving up prices on everything. History tells us that we'd better be prepared for open hostility from many of those who currently live anywhere when faced with what they perceive to be a mass "invasion" of newcomers. I doubt that the few thousand Nunavut (who are 99% Native North Americans) are not going to be at all happy with the political dilution that will come with masses of population from the rest of the world. That's my problem with the Time article.

That's 100% true. I feel the same way about it here in Western NY Finger Lakes region. Don't really like big city people moving here, driving driving up real estate etc.

They better get used to it. If it's for sale, someone will buy it. Nature of the beast.

Well you might be able to buy it, but Canada doesn't need to let you in

 

[raisingarizona]

I think you totally misread my statement : the key word is and the defining concern is "EXTREMIST " not concerned at all with right center to left center idiation

Hell i live and feel comfortable in a RED state County

 

[Ripitz]

It’s where locals tell you how many generations they’re family has been there without being asked and no matter where you have moved there from will be forever known derogatorily as a “transplant”. It’s where I had a middle aged man point a gun directly at my 19 year old head while describing his grizzly bear encounter. It was still the Wild West in 94. There were no speed limits on their interstates then and it was legal to have one open beverage per person per vehicle. There were many drive through windows at the bars and liquor stores.

Yeah, it was wild back then. Can’t legally drive 80 mph with a beer between your legs anymore that’s for sure. ‘Reasonable and Prudent’ read the speed sign at the state line. When the Feds said MT had to comply with a numerical limit or no money for highways, MT said OK and made the speeding tickets $5 and payable on the spot.

Montana is more liberal than people realize. Not like in Wyoming where it’s all red. Montana has got the university towns and their free thinkers. Lots of hippy nature people surrounding the parks who see value in preservation and public open spaces.

I always found it odd listening to outspoken conservative locals who pride themselves in being from there defend the extraction based ways of cattle, wheat, oil, gas, logging and mining as if it is their god given right and has always been that way. In reality they are newcomers themselves. Hardly anyone was even out there less than 150 years ago.

As far as hunting goes I think people have romantic notions about what it’s like. As if they are gonna move out there and fill up their freezer super easy. The wolves have dispersed the elk and the herds can’t settle in the valleys the way they used to because of development. Sure, you can stand on the border of Yellowstone with all of the outfitters and wait to shoot some trophy when it steps over the boundary but I don’t think you should be up for any sportsman award. Some of the hunting involves thick bush where people often get their faces swiped off by Grizzly bears, so there’s that too. In other places it’s so open the animals can see you from literally miles away. A friend of mine stalked pronghorn for a week. Belly crawled for two days, bedding down when they did, just to get the best shot. The trick he described was to drop them without them running so the meat stays good. He never took that shot that trip and said he’d rather have it that way instead of coming home with shit tasting meat. He said it was wild sleeping out there with them on the prairie.

Back to the thread topic, if you look at how fast the glaciers are melting up in Glacier National Park it doesn’t look good. People should go see them for themselves while they still can and maybe make a few turns. It sure is a beautiful place.

 

[Campgottagopee]

I used to believe that. People with serious grievances who resort to violence are not necessarily crazy, but political violence in the US seemed unthinkable to me. Now I’m not so sure about that.

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It's been going on for years.