Killington Conditions

[snoloco]

It's tough to say on either count. I believe both the World Cup and early/late season are hard to quantify. The World Cup is Vermont's largest sporting event, and brings a ton of people to the region. It also helps put Killington on the map. The extended season certainly drives some pass sales. If they didn't have it, I'd probably have stayed with ORDA instead of switching. In the spring, they also get a lot of Ikon Pass holders using up any leftover days, and they get some of the revenue from that. I think there are some days on either end of the season where they make money, and other days when they don't, but overall, the long season is a big part of Killington's overall product, and the sum is greater than the parts.

As for the cost to do the glacier build, they tend to only do it when temps are optimal, and it's very high water content snow, which means less air.

 

[Harvey]

It's tough to say on either count. I believe both the World Cup and early/late season are hard to quantify.

That's the branding and I think it has measurable value. Passes sold for one. You are actually open in prime pass selling season.

I wouldn't be surprised if the snow on Superstar was hundreds of thousands to blow. Would love to know for real.

 

[Tjf1967]

The community certainly makes a lot of money with the world cup. Not sure k itself does. They are going to spend the money making snow anyways so the good will is priceless. Spectators don't mean shit. You have thirty countries with teams depending on the community for 7 days. Think about how much it costs.

 

[Tjf1967]

That's the branding and I think it has measurable value. Passes sold for one. You are actually open in prime pass selling season.

I wouldn't be surprised if the snow on Superstar was hundreds of thousands to blow. Would love to know for real.

To blow 12 feet of snow on 48acres cost is around 750k

 

[Harvey]

To blow 12 feet of snow on 48acres cost is around 750k

I would have guessed 1M without knowing.

Solimano's Saturday thing probably doesn’t include a share of that.

It might be deeper than 12 feet. Is the 48 acres a real number?

As the teacher once said can you show your work?

 

[Milo Maltbie]

The cost of having 12 feet of snow in depends on the weather, but it’s all sunk cost by May. If they didn’t stay open they would lose the spring pass sales , some Ikon revenue and maybe even a few season passes, so I’m guessing there’s a good business case for the long season.

mm

 

[Harvey]

Right, except the cost would be half if they were shooting to close on May 1.

 

[Milo Maltbie]

Right, except the cost would be half if they were shooting to close on May 1.

Right, but a big part of the cost is investment in snowmaking capacity, which they need for FIS. Powdr for a lot of push back from pass holders and property owners when they tried a short season so that’s some or it too.

mm

 

[Tjf1967]

I would have guessed 1M without knowing.

Solimano's Saturday thing probably doesn’t include a share of that.

It might be deeper than 12 feet. Is the 48 acres a real number?

As the teacher once said can you show your work?

4800 feet by 300 feet. Gets you 1.4 million or so. Divide by 43k to get acres. 1-2k per acre to blow 12 inches of snow. Multiply by 12 feet and boom 750k +/-

 

[Harvey]

Everyone loves Killington being the beast.

Maybe.

Apparently there is a "black market" for beers outside the umbrella bar. WTF. I call BS.