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[DomB]

You have six years. Why do the width, when you can you can do the length?

PS - I am finally understanding zone 2 training. I pulled a chart of 4 different 4 mile runs at 143 bpm avg hr from December 24, March, October, and a few days ago. Y axis is pace (declining pace going up) and X is date. It looks like a 1:1 chart pretty much with the arrow climbing 45 degrees to the right. Still really slow, but shows you relative increases. My zone two slow runs going from 13 min per mile to 10:45 on the chart over 11 months. . . .

Seems to me, if you can really stick with 80 zone 2 (hard to not open it up at times) and20% quality /challenging work, you (me) will get (relatively speaking) faster quickly (relatively - being like 1 year). Don't get me wrong, still a slow dude over here. There is a chance I will hit my 2 hour half goal by March instead of June. Main prize is an October marathon. I could end up shaving an hour off my time (the beauty of a terrible first marathon haha).

 

[DomB]

You have six years. Why do the width, when you can you can do the length?

The other cool thing - I am averaging about 30 mpw this half block, peaking at 34, but with many weeks above 30. My injury risk actually declines in this block and in future blocks as I approach 38 mpw. Then, over that mpw, my risk will go up (fairly slightly). We are talking about 10-12 percent annualized risk of injury keeping me out a week or longer, which is pretty good for a masters runner.

 

[TheGreatAbyss]

Ny times article re demand falling https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/13/...e_code=1.008.4BZG.eTqqDptrBa8t&smid=url-share

I think the entire luxury vehicle market regardless of powertrain is having a pullback.

 

[Campgottagopee]

The average price of a new car is now over $50K

Shit IS out of control

 

[Tjf1967]

PS - I am finally understanding zone 2 training. I pulled a chart of 4 different 4 mile runs at 143 bpm avg hr from December 24, March, October, and a few days ago. Y axis is pace (declining pace going up) and X is date. It looks like a 1:1 chart pretty much with the arrow climbing 45 degrees to the right. Still really slow, but shows you relative increases. My zone two slow runs going from 13 min per mile to 10:45 on the chart over 11 months. . . .

Seems to me, if you can really stick with 80 zone 2 (hard to not open it up at times) and20% quality /challenging work, you (me) will get (relatively speaking) faster quickly (relatively - being like 1 year). Don't get me wrong, still a slow dude over here. There is a chance I will hit my 2 hour half goal by March instead of June. Main prize is an October marathon. I could end up shaving an hour off my time (the beauty of a terrible first marathon haha).

I thought you get faster by running more often and longer. Geez who knew

 

[DomB]

I thought you get faster by running more often and longer. Geez who knew

I know there are people on the forum who know more about running than me. But anywho: running slow in that zone two area does two things that other zones do not do as much that let you get faster:

1) over months, it makes you have more mitochondria in the same area of muslce mass, so you put more energy from oxygen and fuel into your muscles (i.e. you increase your own horse power);

2) it trains your heart to become more efficient - so at the same effort for your heart, you are pumping more blood, putting more oxygen into the system (i.e. you are increasing oxygen to your muscles which is needed for aerobic respiration which is key at any distance over a few hundred yards).

Just running more often at faster times alone probably won't get you much faster over distance, and very likely will not get you faster over distances more than 10k or 6 miles.

 

[tirolski]

I thought you get faster by running fast more often and longer. Geez who knew

FIFY
Our HS track coach had us do interval training. I was used to running kinda long from cross county and was only on the track team my senior year cause I also played baseball.

He said ya get faster by practicing running fast (doing Interval training-sprints). Our team won the county and sectional meet my senior year. Fun times.

 

[DomB]

FIFY
Our HS track coach had us do interval training. I was used to running kinda long from cross county and was only on the track team my senior year cause I also played baseball.

He said ya get faster by practicing running fast (doing Interval training-sprints). Our team won the county and sectional meet my senior year. Fun times.

Good stuff. Also needs to be race specific (e.g. cross country is a shorter distance, therefore more high speed short distance work and relatively less volume). I am definitely a novice, so take my stuff with a grain of salt and maybe I should stop pontificating.

 

[tirolski]

Good stuff. Also needs to be race specific (e.g. cross country is a shorter distance, therefore more high speed short distance work and relatively less volume). I am definitely a novice, so take my stuff with a grain of salt and maybe I should stop pontificating.

Was just offering advice on running faster.
I did the mile relay (~440yds) which was like a sprint for a short legged cross country runner.

Since ya like yer truck & this thread could use some tunes,
Keep on truckin.

 

[Tjf1967]

I know there are people on the forum who know more about running than me. But anywho: running slow in that zone two area does two things that other zones do not do as much that let you get faster:

1) over months, it makes you have more mitochondria in the same area of muslce mass, so you put more energy from oxygen and fuel into your muscles (i.e. you increase your own horse power);

2) it trains your heart to become more efficient - so at the same effort for your heart, you are pumping more blood, putting more oxygen into the system (i.e. you are increasing oxygen to your muscles which is needed for aerobic respiration which is key at any distance over a few hundred yards).

Just running more often at faster times alone probably won't get you much faster over distance, and very likely will not get you faster over distances more than 10k or 6 miles.

It was just a joke. Your math makes sense. Now you know what you have to do. No more stalling