ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Campgottagopee]

I'd say EV are worse

I just bought a 2020 Mercedes GLC300 and it still brought darn good money when compared to what it was new.

 

[Kingslug]

And nothing sounds like a vette ...something about silently accelerating to 140 mph doesn't cut it...yet

 

[Campgottagopee]

And nothing sounds like a vette ...something about silently accelerating to 140 mph doesn't cut it...yet

Truth

Sadly, soon we'll be saying, back when cars made sound

 

[Kingslug]

Its like electric motorcycles...very heavy and silent. nah.
I wouldn't mind a Rivian truck though.

 

[jasonwx]

The new Tesla has a 0-60 under 2 seconds
Most people will start to grey out at that acceleration.
my buddy’s camero is almost 700 hp at the wheels still can’t beat the Tesla

walk silently and carry a big stick

 

[DomB]

The new Tesla has a 0-60 under 2 seconds
Most people will start to grey out at that acceleration.
my buddy’s camero is almost 700 hp at the wheels still can’t beat the Tesla

walk silently and carry a big stick

Great discussion. I am a big fan of the Toyota hybrids. I was fairly close to circling the Highlander Hybrid until I saw that a Rivian should be coming out (I think I put my deposit down in May '19!).

For depreciation, I am the guy who drives a car forever. My current cars are a 2011 Honda CRV EXL (120,000 miles maybe?) that has never, ever had any work other than routine maintenance and tires. Also have a 2014 Subaru Impreza with 17,000 miles. We bought that when we left the city not knowing how much we would have to drive. But, because we live in the burbs, we like the optionality of a second car. Both bought new.

I actually want to keep my CRV because it has a small lift (get 8.7 in clearance) but probably will keep the Subaru and trade the CRV into Rivian (they take trade ins, or say they will).

One point about EVs - Tesla and at least Rivian will focus on over-the-air upgrades. That means, subject to battery degradation, the cars will improve over time. Two examples: a tesla battery software management upgrade INCREASE the range from 240-263 on the base model 3; Tesla pushed out a 2k over the air option that increased the the 0-60 time of the Long Range (not performance) 3 and Ys to an insane number (I want to say 4.4(?)).

The legacy automakers don't seem to be able to do this in a useful way right now for ICEs.

 

[jasonwx]

My 2011 legacy has 105k
My 2014 legacy has 121k

 

[Ripitz]

I had an ‘83 Mercedes 300SD turbo diesel with 180k miles on it that I converted to run on veggie oil. We put studded snows on it and drove it to Montana in the middle of Winter on veg the whole way. The odometer stopped at 240k and I drove it for another three years. Went to the graveyard because of rot. Should have yanked the engine and tranny.

 

[DomB]

My 2011 legacy has 105k
My 2014 legacy has 121k

Jason - are you going to pull the trigger on the Y? If you haven't seen it, you should check out Munro Associates on Youtube. He is an engineer who tears down cars and suggests improvements. He was not a fan of the 3. He said that the Y was the best car Tesla built (and seems to have converted to a Tesla fan). Got his start at one of the big legacy automakers (GM?)

 

[Face4Me]

I've got a 2012 Honda Pilot that has 257,000 miles on it.

I've been reluctant to buy an EV ... For me, it's about the range ... Long drives are pretty common for me (see the mileage numbers above) ... Until they've got the range on an EV to about 500 miles without needing to recharge, I'll probably stay on the sidelines ... unless and until I have no choice!