Milo Maltbie
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Gore has been open for about 9 weeks now and Presidents Day , when they typically shut down snowmaking, is only 5 weeks away. So it’s gonna take a miracle.
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Gore Mountain Conditions
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The NYYS Power Grid may cause early lift shut down tomorrow,
Are any other bumps affected?
Milo Maltbie
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Belleayre is in that too. I don’t know about Whiteface. I think snowmaking is more load than lifts, so there’s that.
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snoloco
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This is often called a curtailment. They sometimes happen in the evenings before very cold nights, as this is when demand on the grid is the highest. I think pretty much every ski resort has had to deal with them at some point. What is unusual in this case is that it is impacting the lifts. Usually curtailments only impact snowmaking, as the pumps and compressors use a lot more power than lifts or lodge facilities do.
capecodbeach
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With the backing of ORDA and the State of New York it is pretty clear Gore will not be failing anytime soon. But there has been discussions on the forum about what it needs to do to attract workers and be more of a destination versus a commuter mountain. Forty miles down the Northway, West Mountain is looking for approval to create a 'ski resort'. In a nutshell they are proposing to build a 80 room hotel, 60 condos, 32 duplex housing units, as well as 52 single family homes. Add to that a new high speed lift or two, full service ski shop and a restaurant. Is it anything more than a pipe dream, maybe maybe not but the article discussing the challenges of maintaining a viable ski mountain is interesting. And yes, they have actually started public meetings for the approval process. Gore has deeper pockets but many of the same challenges. Likely not someting the core posters here would be interested in BUT if completed it would be competition for the 'vacation skiers' market.
The cost and funding reminds me of the old joke...
The fastest way to become a millionaire, is to start with 2 million.
Probably not truly "Conditions" per say but if you have some downtime I have posted the URL below.
www.glensfalls.com
The cost and funding reminds me of the old joke...
The fastest way to become a millionaire, is to start with 2 million.
Probably not truly "Conditions" per say but if you have some downtime I have posted the URL below.
Ambitious Plans For A Destination Resort Are Currently Under Way At West Mountain - Glens Falls Business Journal
By Paul Post West Mountain is nearing the finish line on approvals for a $190 million ski-and-stay village, which co-owner Spencer Montgomery says is essential to the ski center’s survival. “It isn’t kind of based on this resort happening, it’s absolutely based on it happening,” he said. “Last...
www.glensfalls.com
Why not just run the lifts on diesel if needed?
May be simpler than herding
WF midnight report says this,
"Whiteface Operational Update for Monday, 1/20/2025:The New York State ISO Power Grid has issued a Power Demand Response Event for Monday, January 20th, from 4:00 PM to 10:00 PM. As a result, the following lifts will have their last chair at 3:45 PM (instead of the usual 4:00 PM): Falcon Flyer, Warhorse, The Notch, Cub Carpet, and Coyote Carpet. Upper lifts, including Little Whiteface, Summit Quad, and Lookout Mountain, will close at the regular time of 3:30 PM. The Scenic Cloudsplitter Gondola ride will load its last cabin at 2:45 PM. In accordance with this curtailment, the snowmaking system will be temporarily shut down in the afternoon and will resume after 10:00 PM, subject to conditions”.
Milo Maltbie
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You can’t run on diesel unless you have another backup. I think only Burnt Ridge has a second backup and that one shuts down at 330 anyway. It doesn’t matter. No one except Sno is riding the lifts after 3 pm.
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snoloco
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Normally that is the case, but not if you're trying to avoid a curtailment. In that case, the diesel would be used as the primary, and the electric as the backup. All 4 detachables have two backups. The other issue with some lifts is that the lift runs very slow when running on diesel, like less than half speed.
SIAWOL
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Mother nature is what it is so far this year......dry. BUT I think we can all agree that it's been pretty cold for long stretches and we'd label it "great snowmaking weather". The lack of snowmaking effort through this weather has just been plain disappointing.
I'd love for the mountain to be more open than it is and I don't think some basic expectations at this point of the season and with the recent weather would include:
I acknowledge that there's often more to the story than we know. Keep hearing labor.....and you can't squeeze blood from a stone....but the larger question is about WHY is labor such a pronounced issue this season? Affordable housing, work ethic, blah, blah, blah. Sure, that's a piece. But other places with the same constraints aren't facing the same snowmaking problems.
Coupled with other Gore problems this season---gondola startup delays, gondola retrofits, nagging potable water at Saddle, parking free-for-alls, the Straightbrook cable tension, liftie shortages, the god awful sea green paint in the base lodge, all of it---I feel that it points to management. I'm ambivalent about Bone and even though he's the head guy on mountain, there's a whole management team that has to be working well for success. But he does have to own the failures if the team isn't getting it done. And they're not.
Throw in the super hype social media guy updates and I continue to feel like Gore is pissing on my leg but telling me it's raining. (That dude doing his job, and he's pretty good at it IMO.....but the true Gore experience after you look under the hood is ugly)
I'd love for the mountain to be more open than it is and I don't think some basic expectations at this point of the season and with the recent weather would include:
- full width showcase
- full width wild air
- open pit--I mean they blew snow on this already I thought, yet was never groomed out?
- uncas
- at least signs of life on sagamore and lies
I acknowledge that there's often more to the story than we know. Keep hearing labor.....and you can't squeeze blood from a stone....but the larger question is about WHY is labor such a pronounced issue this season? Affordable housing, work ethic, blah, blah, blah. Sure, that's a piece. But other places with the same constraints aren't facing the same snowmaking problems.
Coupled with other Gore problems this season---gondola startup delays, gondola retrofits, nagging potable water at Saddle, parking free-for-alls, the Straightbrook cable tension, liftie shortages, the god awful sea green paint in the base lodge, all of it---I feel that it points to management. I'm ambivalent about Bone and even though he's the head guy on mountain, there's a whole management team that has to be working well for success. But he does have to own the failures if the team isn't getting it done. And they're not.
Throw in the super hype social media guy updates and I continue to feel like Gore is pissing on my leg but telling me it's raining. (That dude doing his job, and he's pretty good at it IMO.....but the true Gore experience after you look under the hood is ugly)
