Gore Mountain Conditions

[tirolski]

The li

Not one person who has posted here said that all change is a bad thing. 30 years ago I was trying to tele ski on 200 cm straight skis and leather boots.
Without discussing whether doubling the lift capacity for the narrow trails in the Darkside was a good idea, was it necessary for the contractor installing the new quad to cut a huge chunk out of the woods on skiers’ right at the bottom of Dark Side glade, widen the entire lift line corridor on both sides and move large rocks that made some interesting drops, finishing by bulldozing the wreckage into the woods, all so they could build an unnecessary switchback road up the lift line? Some advanced planning and thought, and careful writing of the contract specs, would have avoided all that.

The new lift is nice, shiny and moves right along.
The ride up view was much nicer on the old one though.
The new wider cuts for the lift looks like scars with the big pointy rocks.
It looks a lot more like it does now than it did.

Thought of Andrew's videos looking at all those big pointy boulders present. He skis in The UpState.

 

[Cork]

Not one person who has posted here said that all change is a bad thing. 30 years ago I was trying to tele ski on 200 cm straight skis and leather boots.
Without discussing whether doubling the lift capacity for the narrow trails in the Darkside was a good idea, was it necessary for the contractor installing the new quad to cut a huge chunk out of the woods on skiers’ right at the bottom of Dark Side glade, widen the entire lift line corridor on both sides and move large rocks that made some interesting drops, finishing by bulldozing the wreckage into the woods, all so they could build an unnecessary switchback road up the lift line? Some advanced planning and thought, and careful writing of the contract specs, would have avoided all that.

First off, no one cares that you used to tele

And in regards to the clearing, I know it sucks but the state has clearing allowances that all lifts have to abide by, and the contractors also needed to construct the work road to facilitate with the tower assemblies. Have you noticed the work road that was made for the lift 10?

I'm headed over to the hill, I'll let you all know what the carnage is after the 2+ inches of rain

 

[Milo Maltbie]

And in regards to the clearing, I know it sucks but the state has clearing allowances that all lifts have to abide by, and the contractors also needed to construct the work road to facilitate with the tower assemblies. Have you noticed the work road that was made for the lift 10?

They built 2 lifts there without a work road. They also left wood slash, stumps and sharp rocks in a skiable area when they replaced the double. None of that should have happened. There are tree clearing requirements (which the new line exceeds) but regrading is suppsed to be limited to the area around the tower foundations, and other grades should be restored. It looks to me that ORDA wrote the specs for that construction without adequate protection for the Darksde glade, then never inspected the clean up of the site before the snow fell.
Is lift 10 Topridge? That was built in an area that no one cared about because we never skied it, but the same issues apply. Still, that line has much less debris than the new HP line.
If you look at all the new trails allowed by the UMP. it's clear that ORDA has no regard for glades. If they ever build out the whole plan we won't recognize the place.

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[Milo Maltbie]

The li

The new lift is nice, shiny and moves right along.
The ride up view was much nicer on the old one though.
The new wider cuts for the lift looks like scars with the big pointy rocks.
It looks a lot more like it does now than it did.

Thought of Andrew's videos looking at all those big pointy boulders present. He skis in The UpState.

Holy crap! Who runs 3000psi air lines with quick connects?

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[Harvey]

I'll let you all know what the carnage is

Thank you!

 

[Cork]

They built 2 lifts there without a work road. They also left wood slash, stumps and sharp rocks in a skiable area when they replaced the double. None of that should have happened. There are tree clearing requirements (which the new line exceeds) but regrading is suppsed to be limited to the area around the tower foundations, and other grades should be restored. It looks to me that ORDA wrote the specs for that construction without adequate protection for the Darksde glade, then never inspected the clean up of the site before the snow fell.
Is lift 10 Topridge? That was built in an area that no one cared about because we never skied it, but the same issues apply. Still, that line has much less debris than the new HP line.
If you look at all the new trails allowed by the UMP. it's clear that ORDA has no regard for glades. If they ever build out the whole plan we won't recognize the place.

mm

You have no clue. Maybe you should have a chat with your informant Howie, and he can fill you in

 

[Milo Maltbie]

You have no clue.

I used to have a job where we approved pipeline routes. Maybe I know something aboout construction.
The utility industry can't build anything anywhere in NY without minimizing disruption during construction and cleaning up debris, restoring grades and drainage. None of that was done when HP was replaced.
The UMP gives ORDA permission to eliminate just about every major glade at Gore. That's why skiers who enjoy glades should pay attention.

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[Cork]

I used to have a job where we approved pipeline routes. Maybe I know something aboout construction.
The utility industry can't build anything anywhere in NY without minimizing disruption during construction and cleaning up debris, restoring grades and drainage. None of that was done when HP was replaced.
The UMP gives ORDA permission to eliminate just about every major glade at Gore. That's why skiers who enjoy glades should pay attention.

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Neither ORDA nor any NYS entity are “required” to do the proper due diligence before or after a project.
That’s why we have the results that we see

 

[tirolski]

Holy crap! Who runs 3000psi air lines with quick connects?

mm

It’s hydraulic fluid not air.
Folks run fluids with finger tight fittings up to 15K psi on a much smaller scale.

Been there, done that, but never broke rocks with a pressurized hammer/excavator yet. YMMV.

 

[Cork]

Ok so, did a run on Topridge and coverage is still good, but there are a few ugly spots, and it’s not warm enough yet so it’s a bit rough.
There is about 1/2-1” of gack snow at the top of Bear.
Foxlair to Wild Air was groomed and smooth but it’s pea soup fog currently.
Base area looks good considering the amount of rain (2+”)
I’ll give another update later