Gore Mountain Conditions

[Milo Maltbie]

Advisory user group = fancy way of saying old curmudgeons experienced and knowledgible people who want to keep the mountain the same way it was 30 years ago and never make any improvements are interested in sustainable development that preserves the unique qualities of the mountain.

FIFY

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[Harvey]

Advisory user group = fancy way of saying old curmudgeons who want to keep the mountain the same way it was 30 years ago and never make any improvements.

Would that be true if you were on it?

 

[Harvey]

I won a boot bag

 

[tirolski]

Advisory user group = fancy way of saying old curmudgeons who want to keep the mountain the same way it was 30 years ago and never make any improvements.

Sounds like old sno’s back init.

When we skied the Dark Side Tuesday there weren’t many people there.
Only waited for a lift for a few folks once.
There’s some merging narrow trails especially towards the bottom.

Big crowds changing lanes in there could be accidents waiting to happen.
It’s nice when few folks are there.
It’s beautiful like Tahawas but with several merging on/off ramps.
Let some pines grow would help fixit.

 

[Milo Maltbie]

Sounds like old sno’s back init.

When we skied the Dark Side Tuesday there weren’t many people there.
Only waited for a lift for a few folks once.
There’s some merging narrow trails especially towards the bottom.
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Big crowds changing lanes in there could be accidents waiting to happen.
It’s nice when few folks are there.
It’s beautiful like Tahawas but with several merging on/off ramps.
Let some pines grow would help fixit.

Even on weekdays the Darkside occasionally have uncomfortable traffic. I'm sure it's often overcrowed on those trails on busy weekends. The solution in the UMP for all those intersections is to cut down all the trees around Wood Lot. Luckily, they don't have the budget to do that, but that gives you an idea of how ORDA thinks about Gore.

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[x10003q]

I think Alfred has some really good ideas. We're gonna have wide trails, brutal grooming and snowmaking because of the new normal weather, and racing on Echo is always gonna be a PITA, but there is still room for some reforestation at Gore. They should at least do enough to maintain a healthy tree population, something like what Mad River Glen does. Development at Gore follows the Unit Management Plan, but that allows them to widen lots of trails and to cut trails through all the major glades. If they build out the whole UMP we won't recognize the place. They may never have the budget to do any of that, but an advisory User Group could at least make ORDA aware of what they are giving up when they eliminate the unique aspects of Gore. And a user group may have made them to think twice about developing a mixed alpine/nordic area that may only be skiable half the season in a good year. (Who thinks cross country skiing will survive if it requires snowmaking?)

Also this:


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I think you and Alfred should be in charge of the Gore Advisory User Group. After you shrink the trail width you could work on getting rid of all the high capacity chairs. Doubles and singles would be awesome to keeping the hoards off the trails just like MRG. Who wouldn't love to go back to the 19 minute ride on a double chair to get from the main base to the Saddle. Maybe you could find some of those wool ponchos to keep us warm on cold and windy days. Gore is too crowded now in its current configuration. Get people back in lift line corrals waiting for lifts, where they belong. After you get the trails all narrowed and the lifts fixed, you could work on reducing the snowmaking. Snowmaking cost money, widens trails, wastes water and wastes energy. Think how great it would be to ski natural snow only.

I look forward to all these improvements at Gore.

 

[Brownski]

Advisory user group = fancy way of saying old curmudgeons who want to keep the mountain the same way it was 30 years ago and never make any improvements.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

 

[tirolski]

Even on weekdays the Darkside occasionally have uncomfortable traffic. I'm sure it's often overcrowed on those trails on busy weekends. The solution in the UMP for all those intersections is to cut down all the trees around Wood Lot. Luckily, they don't have the budget to do that, but that gives you an idea of how ORDA thinks about Gore.

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Can’t cut up top sometimes cause of the little birds nesting too.

 

[x10003q]

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Roughly 30 years ago at Gore:
Straight Brook/High Peaks (previously called the Summit)/North chairs were doubles with 20 minute weekend waits.
Snowmaking was 90 percent but there was almost no water so it took forever to open trails.
Bear mountain was untouched so the only way down from the top was Cloud to the Saddle, Gore's Original Flat Spot
The red gondola was a 20-25 minute ride with up to a 20 minute weekend wait.
The top of Hullabaloo was about 25 feet wide and ledge with a spring. It was always side to side lake ice for the top 50 feet.
Base Lodge was insanely crowded and not yet expanded.
The ADK express was a high speed triple that never ran faster than 850ft/min. In classic Gore fashion - who installs a high speed triple rather than a high speed quad?
No pipe into the Hudson for water, no Rumor, no Lies, no Bear Mtn/Gondola/Top Ridge area, no Burnt Ridge, no Ski Bowl

Looking back in time with rose tinted glasses, we sometimes forget the bad stuff.

 

[Alfredeneumann]

Roughly 30 years ago at Gore:
Straight Brook/High Peaks (previously called the Summit)/North chairs were doubles with 20 minute weekend waits.
Snowmaking was 90 percent but there was almost no water so it took forever to open trails.
Bear mountain was untouched so the only way down from the top was Cloud to the Saddle, Gore's Original Flat Spot
The red gondola was a 20-25 minute ride with up to a 20 minute weekend wait.
The top of Hullabaloo was about 25 feet wide and ledge with a spring. It was always side to side lake ice for the top 50 feet.
Base Lodge was insanely crowded and not yet expanded.
The ADK express was a high speed triple that never ran faster than 850ft/min. In classic Gore fashion - who installs a high speed triple rather than a high speed quad?
No pipe into the Hudson for water, no Rumor, no Lies, no Bear Mtn/Gondola/Top Ridge area, no Burnt Ridge, no Ski Bowl

Looking back in time with rose tinted glasses, we sometimes forget the bad stuff.

Not one person who has posted here said that all change is a bad thing. 30 years ago I was trying to tele ski on 200 cm straight skis and leather boots.
Without discussing whether doubling the lift capacity for the narrow trails in the Darkside was a good idea, was it necessary for the contractor installing the new quad to cut a huge chunk out of the woods on skiers’ right at the bottom of Dark Side glade, widen the entire lift line corridor on both sides and move large rocks that made some interesting drops, finishing by bulldozing the wreckage into the woods, all so they could build an unnecessary switchback road up the lift line? Some advanced planning and thought, and careful writing of the contract specs, would have avoided all that.