Toggenburg Mountain Sold

[Brownski]

There’s nothing wrong with buying used lifts. New ones are very very expensive. The Windham lift especially should be fine, as long as they don’t fuck it up during installation. Even lift 4 is salvageable if they find the right parts and hire the right company to fix it. 750k might go a long way towards that but I don’t think it’s gonna buy a brand new replacement.

 

[Harvey]

Togg had/has two Halls.

Laz wanted that Windham lift but the price was too high.

 

[Brownski]

Laz wanted that Windham lift but the price was too high.

I remember it from Windham. It was a backup to their main quad and hardly ever ran unless it was busy or the quad broke down. I bet it’s in great shape and probably long enough to replace #4 which seemed like a disaster waiting to happen when I was up there last year. It seemed like they could only keep it running if they kept it at full speed.

 

[Emily]

I remember it from Windham. It was a backup to their main quad and hardly ever ran unless it was busy or the quad broke down. I bet it’s in great shape and probably long enough to replace #4 which seemed like a disaster waiting to happen when I was up there last year. It seemed like they could only keep it running if they kept it at full speed.

You raised a point that I was thinking about. Why take a rather long lift and use it to replace an extremely short lift. I know lift tower heights are designed for a specific ski area, but why not use the Windham lift to replace chair 4, or even one of their other lifts. I realize that chair three is shot. That part I totally understand. Of course if they did that, they would have to re-claim the chairs that they placed on chair five.

Do we know how much a brand fixed quad costs compared to a high speed quad? I don’t recall how much Greek Peak paid for Visions.

 

[Emily]

There’s nothing wrong with buying used lifts. New ones are very very expensive. The Windham lift especially should be fine, as long as they don’t fuck it up during installation. Even lift 4 is salvageable if they find the right parts and hire the right company to fix it. 750k might go a long way towards that but I don’t think it’s gonna buy a brand new replacement.

I have a crazy feeling that they are going to do the installation themselves, otherwise they would have a contractor in there now working on it. Wes said that it was going to happen this summer, but maybe it’s been put on hold again in order to finish up the campground and wedding pavilion.

 

[MarzNC]

Do we know how much a brand fixed quad costs compared to a high speed quad?

Not exactly the same but Waterville Valley opted to move an old triple for the new peak instead of buying a new detachable quad. The differences in cost was a few millions bucks.

 

[Brownski]

I couldn’t come up with real numbers but a new lift is way more than a used lift and a detachable is way more than a fixed grip - both to build and to maintain. They can do a lot to make a lift fit the terrain. They can pour bigger or smaller foundations to adjust height for instance. If you look at the towers on chair 2 you’ll notice that some of them have an extra section that obviously wasn’t original bolted to the bottom.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Do you remember the dude ranch and the bisons? That was interesting. Then there was the swimming pool in the middle of nowhere.

Beefalo ... Lol, yep I remember all of that. What a hoot!

You mentioned GP is your home hill. How far do you travel to get here?

 

[tirolski]

There is accountability, it is just that the ORDA money losers are mostly the other venues. Maybe these other venues should be run by the Federal government since they actually serve so few people, but are important for national teams.

When is the high speed train coming to the Daks?
China put one in for the 22’ Olympics scheduled there this winter.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Might they have bought it back for $750k if given the option???

Do we know for sure the sale price was $750K? Not that it would matter, more curious than anything.

If it’s true that the Meiers were losing money on Toggenburg

Were they? I haven't read all the articles on the sale but the couple that I did didn't mention the reason for the sale. The only thing I read was they were approached with an offer and they took the deal.