Toggenburg Mountain Sold

Speaking of rippin’ up a closed ski area, I’ve seen some sort of motorcross event at Brodie in Mass.
 
x10003q said:
Lets not pretend that ORDA has gold plated the ski areas
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I was thinking about this. What they do have is no accountability, meaning if they have a massive loss in any one year they get bailed out. That doesn't happen when a ski area is privately owned, they suck it up or go broke.
 
Campgottagopee said:
I was thinking about this. What they do have is no accountability, meaning if they have a massive loss in any one year they get bailed out. That doesn't happen when a ski area is privately owned, they suck it up or go broke.
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There is accountability, it is just that the ORDA money losers are mostly the other venues. Maybe these other venues should be run by the Federal government since they actually serve so few people, but are important for national teams.
When I used to pay attention to the ORDA financial reports, Gore was almost always cash flow positive, WF was mostly cash flow positive and Belle was not yet part of ORDA. NYS cannot let the 3 ski areas/assets fail. People forget how long it takes for ORDA to actually implement the Unit Management Plans because the money comes erratically from NYS.

Belleayre (1949), WF (1957) and Gore (1963) have been operating in NYS for many decades. I do not think NYS should be in the ski business, but here we are and it will never change. Ski area owners complaining about the NYS areas is like complaining about heat from the sun. It is nonsense. The NYS/ORDA areas have been operating well before most current owners were even in the ski business. If you do not like the ski business (yes, it sucks), sell your area.
 
Campgottagopee said:
Too big to fail? I'm guessing that's the leverage that drives any independent ski area bonkers.
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I agree. For that matter, why draw the line at one small and two medium/big ski areas? If we want to support the sport, why not have the state buy and reopen half a dozen or so defunct feeder hills plus Bobcat, Hickory etc… It makes as much sense as the Belle gondola.
 
x10003q said:
complaining about the NYS areas is like complaining about heat from the sun
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It sure is hot today
Campgottagopee said:
Too big to fail?
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As we all know, many of our private areas have closed and many more will. Sure the government is wasteful when running a business. If it means there are three strong areas that have staying power then I’m all in. $150 million? Who cares? How much more money does the individual taxpayer pay in taxes to have them? 1$? 5$? $10? It’s still probably less than the price of a sandwich at one of their ski lodges.
 
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Ripitz said:
As we all know, many of our private areas have closed and many more will. Sure the government is wasteful when running a business. If it means there are three strong areas that have staying power then I’m all in. $150 million? Who cares? How much more money does the individual taxpayer pay in taxes to have them? 1$? 5$? $10? It’s still probably less then the price of a sandwich at one of their ski lodges.
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I'd rather see a level playing field and lower taxes, even if it is only 5 bucks. It's my 5 bucks. ;)
 
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