ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

Campgottagopee said:
You most definitely blow shit into the air.
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Camp we covered this - any environmental impact is caught up in the first 18,000 miles compared to an ice.
Only blowing will be dust, snow, mud and sand. Unless you live in a dirty electric state like West Virginia.
I ll give you another 6000 miles for my solar panels that pump range into mine.
Peace and love.
 
Wait until all these "green batteries" are rotting in the ground. Right next to solar panels.
Obviously, I'm not a fan. Nor will I be.
 
DomB said:
They plan a mass version like a model y with suv for launch next year. I hear a used launch edition will sell for 55-60k.
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This is still a lot, for a new or used car.

I'm not an early adapter, I have never been. I have always embraced advancements that are one gen behind.

I've said it before, the world needs early adapters to move ahead. Think of the original Prius, not the Egghead Gen 2 everyone thinks of, but he one before that. That crappy little car lead the way to an big step forward. Now all three of our cars are hybrids.

But the manufacturers are still adapting slowly. (BTW some nice advancements of the Rivian, finding ways to reduce weight.)

I'm buying the Maverick because it's ALMOST exactly what I want. If Toyota or Honda (or maybe even Kia) made a Maverick, I'd have no regrets. The Hundai Santa Cruz is similar I guess, but ugly, with a smaller bed, and more expensive.

How many pounds of batteries are in a Rivian? The Mav hybrid only weighs 200 lbs more than the ICE.

My CRV is really quite remarkable. Yesterday I did an experiment, stopping after the suburban part of my drive to the Adk was done, to clear the trip meter. (Trip meter B was at 42 mpg). I did this to see check highway mileage (a hybrid weakness). 200 miles at 68-72 mph, and I got 37.2. That's pretty good for a 4000 lb car. Granted it was warm (and I could actually see the mpg impact of running the AC).

Honda: I don't need a car that big, or heavy. I don't need zero to sixty in 3 seconds. I want AWD, a truck bed, MPG and ride comfort.

I'm giving the Mav 2 years, let's see what's on the market then.
 
EV's should be sold on performance and not being green.
Most likely I'll be buying my own truck within the next 5 years. It won't be an EV for a multitude of reasons. #1 I refuse to take the massive depreciation hit that EVs present. #2 if I'm on the road I can't be bothered trying to find a charging station and hope it works. #3 if I ever want to sell it I most definitely will be able to. And #4, I will not pay the ridiculous price tag of an EV.
 
Campgottagopee said:
EV's should be sold on performance and not being green.
Most likely I'll be buying my own truck within the next 5 years. It won't be an EV for a multitude of reasons. #1 I refuse to take the massive depreciation hit that EVs present. #2 if I'm on the road I can't be bothered trying to find a charging station and hope it works. #3 if I ever want to sell it I most definitely will be able to. And #4, I will not pay the ridiculous price tag of an EV.
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Are EV's dirtier than Ice?
 
Campgottagopee said:
EV's should be sold on performance and not being green.
Most likely I'll be buying my own truck within the next 5 years. It won't be an EV for a multitude of reasons. #1 I refuse to take the massive depreciation hit that EVs present. #2 if I'm on the road I can't be bothered trying to find a charging station and hope it works. #3 if I ever want to sell it I most definitely will be able to. And #4, I will not pay the ridiculous price tag of an EV.
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As much as I'd love to stick a finger in the eye of big oil, those 4 reasons you listed are on my list of like 8 reasons why I wouldn't buy an EV yet.

As you may recall I just replaced an 11 year old Crv with 105k miles on it with a new Passport. That 11yr crv still ran as good as day 1 and was still in superb condition inside and out. I didn't take a big depreciation hit either. I bought my 2025 Passport with confidence that it will deliver unprecedented reliability and will still have great trade in value after 10 years. An ev would not give me the same long term value and probably not the same reliability. I don't drive enough to offset upfront costs of an ev with gas savings.

I love the powertain tech of new cars like EVs and hybrids. I'm grateful to those buying them for many different reasons.

If I were to get an EV I'd lease it. But I'm done leasing since I expect to keep my cars 10+ years.

Love my new Passport. It's like a big CRV which I still think is one of the best cars ever made 😁
 
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Campgottagopee said:
And #4, I will not pay the ridiculous price tag of an EV.
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I got the $7500 federal tax credit and paid no sales tax in Jersey, so that was about $10K right off the price for me.

Then you save about $2k/year in gas and maintenance.

Depending on what you are comparing an EV may end up being cheaper in the long run.
 
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