Automated Snowmaking

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Nobody has to agree with me obviously. I just don’t see what you guys are seeing. My observation has been that when I ski under fixed automatic installations quality is hit or miss, whether it’s a big hill or small. When I see dedicated crews out actively maintaining their guns, it’s better. I’m not surprised that some snowmakers like bush button systems. It’s a very hard job. Making it easier on the workers is good but it doesn’t improve snow quality overall in my opinion.
I think that an automated system is only as good as the person running it. I am sure the automated guns need to be calibrated and that could make a big difference, also I am sure you can override the system which is where a good snowmaker could see a change that needs to be made. I would think that change can be made on a computer and change many guns all at once.
 
I would think that change can be made on a computer and change many guns all at once.
My impression was that the more recent sophisticated automated snowguns have individual weather sensors. Seems to be the case looking at these videos.


 
When I see dedicated crews out actively maintaining their guns, it’s better.
Having automated snowguns doesn't mean the snowmaking crew isn't still out on the slopes all the time checking each gun. But they can monitor what's happening on multiple snowguns at once before heading out. Plus there are always manual snowguns in addition to whatever trails have automated fixed installations.

Completely agree that what matters is the quality of the snowmaking team. Not just the level of technology available.

Have you ever followed the annual I AM A SNOWMAKER contest? Bristol won in 2020. 2021 finalists were Blue in ONT, Eldora in CO, ??/Alpine in Tahoe, and Okemo in VT. Eldora was the winner. It's always a mix of teams from large destination resorts and smaller mountains.
 
I made snow. Night shift sugarbush winter of 89.. lot different now. Paul bunion could not beat the chain saw. You need the labor in the summer to repair prepare the equipment for the winter. Less people out in the cold. Weather stations all around adjusting things automatically. If it's shitty snow blame the mountain. They programmed it that way.
 
Isn’t that determined by online voting? I’m aware of it.
The final choice between the 4-5 finalists is based on online voting. I doubt few people who don't work in the ski industry bother or are even aware of the contest. Voting is only open for a relatively short period. It's nothing like the Favorite Ski Town or other marketing contests. The selection of the finalists is not a free-for-all. Not exactly sure how teams get nominated. Those who are finalists have to produce a 3-min video, plus a statement that's about paragraph.
 
Sun Valley has been automated since the late 70's.
Since the snowmaking discussion was moved into this own thread . . .

Went looking for more info about Sun Valley snowmaking. They have been upgrading the snowmaking infrastructure all along. The first automated system was installed in the late 1980s. There are around 600 snowguns. Replacing old snowguns with more efficient current models is an ongoing process. The webpage includes a short video.

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Snowmaking

Known for consistent conditions and one of the most sophisticated snowmaking systems in the industry, Sun Valley Resort leads the industry with energy efficiency and the reduction of resources with the replacement of the older Borax guns with the highly-efficient Rubis EVO snowmaking guns. Of the 578 snowmaking guns on the mountain, 283 have been replaced with the Rubis EVO snowmaking guns since 2014.
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Since 2014, 282 older guns have been replaced with newer and more efficient Rubis EVO guns with the assistance of Idaho Power. The incentive program has saved 1.6 million kilowatt hours of electricity per year from 2014-2017, significantly reducing the energy use of snowmaking guns on the mountain."
 
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