Big Tupper Thread

The leaders of the Town of Johnsburg chased the owner (who was also the owner of the Copperfield Inn, and the Ski Bowl before it was sold) out of town.
Kinda ironic, in that he hadn't asked for any grants or subsidies, but yet he was not liked mostly because he was not from town...🤷‍♂️(n)

A high school friend, his family spent their summer in Saranac Lake and had property here. He moved here 30+ years ago. Did construction, built camps on Lake Placid and elsewhere. But when the market slowed down, locals got all the work and he drove a bus till the housing market picked up.

I haven't experienced any of that myself. If I were to get flack, I'd just tell people that my great grandparents were caretakers at Camp Pine Knot.
 
ah yes .....very familar with the "us vs them" or "you weren't born in the ADKs" - I run into it a lot
IMO, this ^^^^ is worse in VT

Ironically, locals at Smuggs would call me a "flatlander" because I was from NY. I'd tell them that the mountains in NY are taller than in VT --- that really got them going. LOL
 
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Sounds front page worthy to me.
 
I never skied there. Everything I have to share is hearsay.

In it's heyday, BT seemed like a normal local family+ place. I'd be very curious to know the percentage of skier visits that wouldn't be considered local. My guess is it was mostly local and north country. When WAS the BT heyday?

@Endoftheline
Harv, Sorry for the delayed response, been lets say under the weather recently.
The new owners are saying all the right things to appeal to the locals, getting the mountain opened back up was always the carrot the ACR guys were dangling, but never really had any intention of running it themselves.
I've met one of the owners a few years ago. From what I've gleaned through the local grapevine the one owner may be a skier but certainly not a hardcore. He has 5 kids too and obviously is well funded.County records show that he bought 4 properties in the past 4 years for a total of $2.4M and has pumped at least another $1M into one of those.
I don't know what questions I would ask him other than(sarcastically) Do you know what your getting into?

As for Big Tupper in it's heyday it was the real deal in northern NY in the 60s and 70s. Lots of day visits from the St Lawrnce Valley towns. Good contingent of Canadians also. Litterally overflow crowds at time w busses filling the parking lots.
There was a good ski school, full rental shop at the base, night skiing 3 nights a week w a friday night fun race league.
Annual jumping contest, I'll try to attach a photo a friend sent me. Local school would provide a bus in the afternoons to bring kids up to the mountain to get a couple hours of skiing in during the weekdays. Back in the mid to late 60s they would even have easter parades w costumes and games. Back then, more often than not we had enough natural snow for Easter activities.
It was going so well that in the early 70s the town (who owned it) put a really big addition on the main lodge (adding debt too) as they had seen the crowds big enough to warrant it. Then after a couple bad snow years (1980 the worst) in the early 80s the town put in snowmaking on the one main Chairlift at the base, and a built a small reservoir, Again, more debt to go with it.

So after a few more mediocre winters a group of non skier locals convinced the town to sell the area as they felt they were paying to much in their taxes subsidizing a small group of skiers. The reality was that the town wasn't losing money on it. Some years they made a small progit, other years maybe lost a little. In the end around 1987 they sold it to the hot dog king of Atlantic city Roger ???? who promplty ran it into the ground as he had no inking whatsover about running a ski area.The area then went to auction and the last owners put in a lot of new snowmaking(and took on debt) and gave up after 7 years. No need to expand on that. We all know what the ACR scammers did to the place(sell off, canabilize)

So now we have 2 new owners from NJ. I wish them well, it's a shame that a whole generation of kids have missed out on having a ski area in their back yard. Maybe w some luck the new guys get it up and running even on a smaller scale to start, maybe try to keep ticket prices down enough to attract people. Lord knows the price of day tickets is keeping a lot of people form heading to many of the bigger areas. We need these little feeder hills to keep the sport going.

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Woah man. Would love it if you could be involved in the History of BT. We'd like to get it down.

@x10003q has already sent me something for the piece, but we need you!

 
As for Big Tupper in it's heyday it was the real deal in northern NY in the 60s and 70s. Lots of day visits from the St Lawrnce Valley towns.

It was going so well that in the early 70s the town (who owned it) put a really big addition on the main lodge (adding debt too) as they had seen the crowds big enough to warrant it.
About every “spring semester” Thursday in 1976 a posse of us bears from SUC@Potsdam would ski it. Some of us booked our senior semester so we'd have no classes on Thursdays. Had a few friends that played in bands from the Tupper town too. Snow was good and quite frosty. Lift tickets were cheap too. Fun times.
 
About every “spring semester” Thursday in 1976 a posse of us bears from SUC@Potsdam would ski it. Some of us booked our senior semester so we'd have no classes on Thursdays. Had a few friends that played in bands from the Tupper town too. Snow was good and quite frosty. Lift tickets were cheap too. Fun times.
Friend(lurker) saw this and reminded me of a few other sig reasons the town sold it. In addition to the lodge expansion, shortly after put in the second chair at the base. Late 70s they added the upper chair. Both added more debt.

And he reminded me of the lack of competent management. Second chair was redundant, T bar served pretty much the same terrain, the 2 new trails off the second chair were too steep on the upper section for beginners and so flat on the lower half you had to push your way down. Upper chair trails had some descent features but the run back to the ch 1 terrain was good for a few turns on the upper part then flat.

The kicker on the upper chair was that they used a gasoline underpowered V8 which made the lift notoriously unreliable and incredibly loud at the loading ramp. And at the time and to this day Tupper Lake has a Municipal Electric Dept with some of the least expensive electric rates anywhere.

If the town had better management they might have held on rather than selling. Which I was reminded of that the town sold it for what they owed, no profit at all. And guess what, the taxes never dropped a penny after the sale.
 
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