ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Harvey]

Maintenance seems like it would be higher. You have all the ice requirements and electric

That's what I was trying to say, except that, on all the hybrids i've ever owned, five of them, none have ever needed any maintenance on the electric and the tires don't wear out faster and the brakes last much longer.

I just replaced the starter battery on my daughter's prius. It's thirteen years old, that's the only thing that's ever really worn out. The brakes lasted well over a hundred thousand miles.

 

[Harvey]

May depend on how someone drives a PHEV. There are people who drive using EV 80% of the time. Obviously still need to change oil but not necessarily just based on the odometer miles driven.

What type of maintenance are you thinking about? For how many years?

I don't know who's running on electric 80% of the time. This Ford that I have is the first hybrid I ever had that tells you how many miles your running on pure electric and fifty percent is about the best I've ever done. Although the car only has less than 1000 miles.

I find that if I can get it to run fifty percent on the electric, i'm getting well over fifty or maybe close to sixty.

 

[Campgottagopee]

4th. Put them on around 75k. I'm getting them dialed in. Last set I got 35k. They ain't cheap. 400 bucks per tire.

Makes sense.
As for the cost, yeah, shit is out of control. Our shop costs per car have at least doubled.
I went to buy bearings for my sled. 4 years ago they were 9 bucks a piece. Now they're 42 a piece. I'm repacking them again this year.....LoL
I need 12 of them

 

[DomB]

Full disclosure, I don't have a subscription to the Times, I was able to see the graphic in the email, but didn't read the article.

TBH, for me, it strains credibility that a hybrid is so close to an EV with home charging. The maintenance on a hybrid should be almost as much as an ICE, right?

The times article is with home charging but without solar. If you can do solar and have good exposure, it pays back more quickly with EVs because you are consuming more of your energy from solar (home and cars) vs. cars consuming energy through gas.

Hybrid will have more maintainance than EV - you still have to change oil, you want to fill the tank every now and then.

Also, if you charge from the grid with no solar, the savings becomes a state by state thing. The times graph says in NY a hybrid is cheaper but in many states it still would not be.

And this is just for fuel, it does not include maintanance saving.

 

[DomB]

I've heard if people doing that in Cali. Nat grid doesn't offer plans like that. Do you have Tesla batteries?
The system you are working with is what I would like to build. To do it and cover everything is a 90k bill. I can't afford it

I have to check but my system was no where near 90k. I think it was 28k after incentives, but financing meant that my carrying cost is lower after the system than before (i.e. my bill plus loan is lower than my pre-rivian bill).

PSEGLI offers it, crazy nat grid does not. Yes, I have one powerwall - I think on paper it is 16kw, but only chargers and discharges 12 or 14.

So, if you have time of use plan and a powerwall (or competitor battery), then you can 'double' the effect. Feel free to PM me. I definitely would have to look back, but I did a ton of research.

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER. I am sure the 'big beautiful bill' impacted the math around this. I put my system in a period where between state and federal, there was an effective subsidy rate of like 36% of the total cost, not including the benefit of subsidized loans.

 

[Harvey]

Hybrid will have more maintenance than EV - you still have to change oil, you want to fill the tank every now and then.

You misunderstood me. I was comparing hybrid maintenance to ICE.

In my experience hybrid is less maintenance than ICE, as counter intuitive as that is.

 

[MarzNC]

I don't know who's running on electric 80% of the time. This Ford that I have is the first hybrid I ever had that tells you how many miles your running on pure electric and fifty percent is about the best I've ever done. Although the car only has less than 1000 miles.

I find that if I can get it to run fifty percent on the electric, i'm getting well over fifty or maybe close to sixty.

I was talking about a PHEV, not a hybrid.

 

[DomB]

You misunderstood me. I was comparing hybrid maintenance to ICE.

In my experience hybrid is less ICE, as counter intuitive as that is.

Oh that makes sense to me. You are using the ICE part less, and you are losing your friction brakes less. You probably go through tires faster than ICE.

 

[Harvey]

The oil in the ice part of the hybrid lasts a lot longer too for some reason. I guess maybe because you're not using the ice motor to start the car rolling.

In my crv, the oil looked pretty darn clear even at ten thousand miles.

 

[Brownski]

It’s not really helpful to compare vehicles from different eras and different price points. Engine tech is getting better and more reliable very quickly. A useful case study would be to compare a vehicle that comes in all three flavors. Maybe an F150 if the Lightning is still around. Compare the maintenance schedules of the cheapest ICE version against the echboost against the hybrid and the EV. Maybe track a few of each in the hands of similar users for the first 100k miles to compare the projections against real world results. Maybe somebody has already done this