ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[Tjf1967]

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Sounds about right. Fast chargers are the wild West. I see prices from 38 to 64 cent per kWh. Even at the highest price I bet it takes a long time for those stations to show a profit. That are empty most of the times I pull into one.

 

[tirolski]

Sounds about right. Fast chargers are the wild West. I see prices from 38 to 64 cent per kWh. Even at the highest price I bet it takes a long time for those stations to show a profit. That are empty most of the times I pull into one.

EV drivers face charging deserts in rural Adirondacks - Adirondack Explorer

Electric vehicle owners says there is a need for more fast chargers in the in rural Adirondack communities.

www.adirondackexplorer.org

Seems ORDA tain’t tickled on level 3 chargers neither

 

[TheGreatAbyss]

I read this article as well. I don't think they factored in off peak charging rates which would decrease the cost of home charging further, and they definitely didn't include the cost of accumulated maintenance on an ICE car. That being said driving a Hummer EV will probably cost you a lot more then driving a regular old hybrid Prius.

Life's a bummer when you're [driving] a Hummer

 

[MarzNC]

Seems ORDA tain’t tickled on level 3 chargers neither

I have you see a Level 3 charger in a ski resort parking lot. Level 2 are becoming fairly common.

I'm staying at the Wyndham timeshare resort at Jiminy Peak. There are a couple pay Level 2 chargers over by the JP lodge.

Massanutten is unusual. Has a couple free Level 2 chargers near the Welcome Center building in the valley. There is a plug-in box in one of the parking lots used for skiing. Even has a 240V outlet. Was put in more for RVs, as well as EVs. But not well marked, more or less on purpose.

 

[Campgottagopee]

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This will get worse. It's not like electricity is getting cheaper.

 

[DomB]

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Yeah I saw that. While this particular graph looks reasonable, it depends both on your state an your particular set up (solar/not solar).

One interesting thing is the role of AI-related data centers in driving up electricity costs. Apparently electricity costs have gone up in the range of 20 percent in the past few years. Kind of crazy.

 

[DomB]

I have you see a Level 3 charger in a ski resort parking lot. Level 2 are becoming fairly common.

I'm staying at the Wyndham timeshare resort at Jiminy Peak. There are a couple pay Level 2 chargers over by the JP lodge.

Massanutten is unusual. Has a couple free Level 2 chargers near the Welcome Center building in the valley. There is a plug-in box in one of the parking lots used for skiing. Even has a 240V outlet. Was put in more for RVs, as well as EVs. But not well marked, more or less on purpose.

Honestly, my big ol' Rivian battery does just fine on a L2 charger. Even the 3.2Kw sipping split at Gore when both chargers in use.

 

[Campgottagopee]

That being said driving a Hummer EV

Those things are all over factory auctions. 24's with no miles, window of 150k. They can't even get 70k for them.

 

[Campgottagopee]

I read this article as well. I don't think they factored in off peak charging rates which would decrease the cost of home charging further, and they definitely didn't include the cost of accumulated maintenance on an ICE car.

And they definitely didn't factor in the depreciation of an EV.

 

[DomB]

This will get worse. It's not like electricity is getting cheaper.

We agree on this one.

Unless you have a good solar set up : ) Even assuming my kiddos are driving at some point with 4 in the household with a vehicle (somewhat unlikely all at once) the solar setup should mean we are not coming out of pocket behind the monthly hookup and the 15 year loan charge (which together are less than our pre-Riv electricity bill). We are lucky that we get a lot of sun in our spot, doesn't work for everyone, but could work for many.