Gore Mountain Conditions

What they are dealing with is actually a good problem to have. Let me explain

The Hudson River pumphouse runs at 4800 gpm and either feeds the reservoir or directly to the ski bowl trails. The main pumphouse runs at 6800 gpm and feeds from the reservoir to the rest of the mountain.

If main is at 6800 gpm, and hudson is filling at 4800 gpm, then the 30M gallon reservoir will drain in 10.4 days and have to be refilled. If Hudson is pumping only to the ski bowl and main is still 6800 gpm, then the reservoir will drain in just 3 days. The reservoir can be refilled in 4.5 days.

The trick is that while 4800 gpm is the theoretical maximum of the system's capacity over a long period of time, they can refill the reservoir when it is too warm to make snow. So usually tue best course of action is to run both systems full bore onto the trails, then refill during the warm up, rinse and repeat. However with the lack of warm ups, this goes out the window, as they will start running out of water when temps are still cold. This means they have to significantly throttle back snowmaking while it is refilled.
Nice Loco. (y)
Saw in a DEC document Gore’s res doesn’t fill up naturally too fast over wintertime.
With the dry summer and lack of r**n free natural refills might be on the low side.
The res acreage was bumped up recently.

Why is it a good problem?

Because it’s been snowy and cold?
Who’d a thunk it.
Thank a snowmaker.
 
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What they are dealing with is actually a good problem to have.
Sounds like Gore is water limited. Which raises the question of why they expanded to Ski Bowl (and Burnt Ridge earlier) before they built water capacity to cover it. Or why did they make snow at Ski Bowl before they could even connect it.

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Sounds like Gore is water limited. Which raises the question of why they expanded to Ski Bowl (and Burnt Ridge earlier) before they built water capacity to cover it. Or why did they make snow at Ski Bowl before they could even connect it.

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When the Hudson River was tapped in 1995, it was probably considered more than enough at the time. The system would've mostly been air-limited back then, so water capacity would've rarely if ever been maxed out. This was even still largely true when Burnt Ridge was added in 2008.

When they upgraded the main pumphouse in 2018, that meant that the reservoir would drain more quickly, so it was expanded. They will only drain it during long sustained periods of cold weather, with snowmaking at full capacity.

The reason they went to the ski bowl so early was to take advantage of the early cold snaps at the low elevation. Until the reservoir drained, it did not affect snowmaking capacity on the upper mountain. This is the most efficient way to do it, as it maximizes the water being sent to trails, even if the ski bowl won't open right away. Usually early season snowmaking are short, so there would be ample time to refill during warm ups. At a week before Christmas they should have it all open and connected, as they are making snow on the connector trails to and from Burnt Ridge. And snowmaking is heading to the summit soon as well, as is stated in the report.

The fact is they are likely running at their theoretical long-term maximum of 4800 gpm, and the only way to increase this is to increase their permit limit for water at the Hudson.

Whiteface is ahead because they have a higher withdrawal amount at 6000 gpm. As such, their long-term maximum is higher, despite their absolute maximum being lower, and they have less acreage to cover.
 
Why is it a good problem?

Because it’s been snowy and cold?
Who’d a thunk it.
Thank a snowmaker.
Gore’s juice cost per kilowatt$ had been highest for Ski3 bumps.
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Why would it change?

Is compressing air for snowmaking a bigger energy hog than pressurizing H2O?

If ya have an air leak it just leaks unless it’s a blow out.
If water leaks it makes ice when it’s cold. If it’s a blow out ya better watch out.
Beeech Mtn NC had one and twasn’t pretty.
 
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That's their cost per kwh. It does not matter where the power is going. It costs the same. The system is more water-limited now because they have a lot of low e guns. This is good as it means more snow is being made. Before the widespread adoption of low e guns, snowmaking systems were almost always air-limited unless you had sub zero temps.
 
That's their cost per kwh. It does not matter where the power is going. It costs the same.
Point trying to be made is Gore has many more acres than Belle & their electricity cost is hight than Belle & WF.
Is their $nowmaking budget the same as Belle & WF?
Gore’s snowmaking budget should be higher just due to the above facts.
If not, it’s a much bigger challenge for Gore to open all it’s snowmaking acres early.

I never understood why they didn’t start early on the top where it’s always colder.
The board’s discussion regarding the rational for new booster water pump explained it.

Or are they the BIG red headed step child?
 
Does it feel pathetic to anyone else that Belle is 90% open, WF is 65% open and Gore is 35% open?
Skiable acres open they are not that different, gore includes all their glades so % looks lower all the time. If WF included the slides it would be much closer
 
When the Hudson River was tapped in 1995, it was probably considered more than enough at the time. The system would've mostly been air-limited back then, so water capacity would've rarely if ever been maxed out. This was even still largely true when Burnt Ridge was added in 2008.

When they upgraded the main pumphouse in 2018, that meant that the reservoir would drain more quickly, so it was expanded. They will only drain it during long sustained periods of cold weather, with snowmaking at full capacity.

The reason they went to the ski bowl so early was to take advantage of the early cold snaps at the low elevation. Until the reservoir drained, it did not affect snowmaking capacity on the upper mountain. This is the most efficient way to do it, as it maximizes the water being sent to trails, even if the ski bowl won't open right away. Usually early season snowmaking are short, so there would be ample time to refill during warm ups. At a week before Christmas they should have it all open and connected, as they are making snow on the connector trails to and from Burnt Ridge. And snowmaking is heading to the summit soon as well, as is stated in the report.

The fact is they are likely running at their theoretical long-term maximum of 4800 gpm, and the only way to increase this is to increase their permit limit for water at the Hudson.

Whiteface is ahead because they have a higher withdrawal amount at 6000 gpm. As such, their long-term maximum is higher, despite their absolute maximum being lower, and they have less acreage to cover.
Super interesting. Thanks for all the knowledge
 
Pine Knot opened. A little crunchy. Uncas looks ready. Top Ridge was excellent.

Does anyone know if the new top ridge lift will run faster than the old triple?
 
Does anyone know if the new top ridge lift will run faster than the old triple?
Liftblog shows the new Topridge line speed of 450 ft per minute, same as the line speed listed for North, High Peaks, and Sunway. They did not have a line speed for the old Topridge listed.

That said, I suspect that the reported line speed is the maximum, not necessarily the typical operating speed. (I have a hard time believing that North runs as fast as High Peaks on a normal day).
 
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