ORDA Opening Announcement Rant

snoloco

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This has been discussed in a few places lately, but I thought it deserved its own thread.

ORDA's practice of waiting till the last minute to announce their opening, and not giving any indication of what terrain will be open is not only absolutely maddening, but is otherwise unheard of in the ski industry. It's so asinine that they are likely throwing money away by not having proper opening announcements, all so the governor's office can take credit for the announcement, instead of those actually operating the ski areas.

First there's the timing. Unless it's coming down to the wire and it's not certain whether there will be enough snow to open, openings should be announced 3-4 days in advance. That gives people time to make plans, purchase tickets, find carpool buddies, etc. If it's not announced by this time, then most will assume they are not opening, and won't go. ORDA clearly knows that they will be open this weekend. They are pushing whales out, selling tickets, and ordering food supplies. Let people know so they can plan to come and ski.

Second, there's no indication of what terrain will be available, beyond what can be seen on the webcams or social media posts. All Belleayre says is they want both Deer Run and Dot Nebel open. There's no indication whatsoever about there being beginner terrain on opening day. I can see on Gore's webcam that they are making snow on Bear Cub, but that's it for all 3 resorts. Others make it clear if they are expecting terrain for all abilities, or intermediate/advanced only even before they've confirmed their openings. Sugarbush for instance, while they announced their opening late, made it clear that there would be no beginner terrain. Stowe on the other hand, just announced their opening 3 days out, and confirmed that there will be terrain for all abilities.

This is why I don't mind fixed openings like what Vail does. Unless there is not enough snow, the opening date is set in stone, and you likely have at least a few days' notice what terrain will be available. The only time I find last minute opening announcements acceptable is for resorts that are really trying to push the season length, where a few degrees difference can mean the difference between opening, and not opening. But even Killington tries to announce 2 days before if possible.
 
ORDA's practice of waiting till the last minute to announce their opening, and not giving any indication of what terrain will be open is not only absolutely maddening, but is otherwise unheard of in the ski industry. It's so asinine that they are likely throwing money away by not having proper opening announcements, all so the governor's office can take credit for the announcement, instead of those actually operating the ski areas.

First there's the timing. Unless it's coming down to the wire and it's not certain whether there will be enough snow to open, openings should be announced 3-4 days in advance. That gives people time to make plans, purchase tickets, find carpool buddies, etc. If it's not announced by this time, then most will assume they are not opening, and won't go. ORDA clearly knows that they will be open this weekend. They are pushing whales out, selling tickets, and ordering food supplies. Let people know so they can plan to come and ski.

Second, there's no indication of what terrain will be available, beyond what can be seen on the webcams or social media posts...
"Open Government" is a thing NY State governments and subsidiaries have been trying to implement more so lately, allegedly..
See: New York State Committee on Open Government
"Major Administrative and Operational Plans” is included in the list.

For winter snow enthusiasts, Opening Day can reasonably be considered very important, especially if it coincides with a National Holiday/long weekend. Making plans to drive to and from Mountains is something folks do routinely for safety and other reasons.
When Tops Market aisles and words of mouths from worker bees on ski/blog/forums have more “information”, allegedly, things could be better.

We all know weather conditions can and do change.
Whatsa matter with stating ORDA’s operational plan(s) with whatever caveats exist?
Plans can always and should be updated as we all know plans can and should change when the unforeseen happens.

Openness on opening for the season is important for ORDA’s locations & snow enthusiasts.
Chompin at the bit happens every year.
Silence is silence.

Firstworld problem? Yup.
 
A lot of ski mountains haven't posted their opening dates. Those that I follow that have announced didn't give more than a 1-2 day leadtime and they didn't publish any trail info. As tirolski said, definitely a first world problem.
 
Life is full of surprises
 
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I'm not a big fan of orda but I think this is bashing they don't deserve. It's I remember correctly K gave 2 days notice of when they were opening. So if Orda announced today they would be on the same page. Anyone who skis these hills knows they open the day after Thanksgiving. The only change is when they open earlier. I think it's been once in the past 15 years they missed the date. Maybe twice.
 
Not in the same league, but Bristol usually gives just a few hours notice-best bet is to watch the webcam. They just have a tentative opening day though, if conditions warrant it, they will open in mid-November rather than wait for the "official" opening day,
 
Not in the same league, but Bristol usually gives just a few hours notice-best bet is to watch the webcam. They just have a tentative opening day though, if conditions warrant it, they will open in mid-November rather than wait for the "official" opening day,
Bristol was one of the places I was thinking of. Same with HV. Another is Grand Targhee--- they just announced 1-2 days before they opened, which is today. No trail info but they did say which lifts will be open. Now because they didn't give more notice those bastards are going to make me pay a premium for the private jet :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

I guess I don't get the original posters complaint.
 
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