APA approves the Whiteface expansion

I read it
Basically everyone is on board except Protect, shocker. The don't approve at due to the cutting of 10,000 "trees", that number doesn't include the cutting of the new hiking or biking trails.
You watch. This obstruction group isn't done yet.
 
Non-paywalled here.

It’s a “Proposed Final" UMP amendment now, non “Draft".
They’ve included public comments and responses init.

The Uphill “Skimo” public comment section contained this response. It’s just before “Errata" section at the end.
"Response:
ORDA is not prepared at this time to consider a Management Action to amend the UMP to cut a specific trail for uphill skiing. ORDA promotes multi-use occupancy, but uphill goes against the flow of alpine skiing which can result in conflicts with operational grooming equipment. The Uphill program at Whiteface operates in early morning hours before downhill operations open
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Try this

Thanks for that.

I tend to be against widening of trails but the I didn't think the trail limits addressed the WIDTH of trails. Should they widen trails for a one time event? or will those changes benefit the mountain long term?

The biking and hiking trails were probably never considered in the trail limits.

All speculation. Anybody know?
 
Putting limits on ski area expansion defined by milage of trails sure sounds silly to me. If they are actually concerned with the environmental impacts you think it would be based in area and not length. Humans are stupid. That's all I got. Numbers......ha!
 
Putting limits on ski area expansion defined by milage of trails sure sounds silly to me. If they are actually concerned with the environmental impacts you think it would be based in area and not length. Humans are stupid. That's all I got. Numbers......ha!

FWIW it was done in 1938.

Looks like width was part of it.

Mind blowing, this is ONE SENTENCE that is OVER 400 WORDS. I broke it apart to make it easier to see the limits by mountain.

Text of Section 1:
Forest Preserve to Be Forever Kept Wild; Authorized Uses and Exceptions


The lands of the state, now owned or hereafter acquired, constituting the forest preserve as now fixed by law, shall be forever kept as wild forest lands. They shall not be leased, sold or exchanged, or be taken by any corporation, public or private, nor shall the timber thereon be sold, removed or destroyed.

Nothing herein contained shall prevent the state from constructing, completing and maintaining any highway heretofore specifically authorized by constitutional amendment, nor from constructing and maintaining to federal standards federal aid interstate highway route five hundred two from a point in the vicinity of the city of Glens Falls, thence northerly to the vicinity of the villages of Lake George and Warrensburg, the hamlets of South Horicon and Pottersville and thence northerly in a generally straight line on the west side of Schroon Lake to the vicinity of the hamlet of Schroon, then continuing northerly to the vicinity of Schroon Falls, Schroon River and North Hudson, and to the east of Makomis Mountain, east of the hamlet of New Russia, east of the village of Elizabethtown and continuing northerly in the vicinity of the hamlet of Towers Forge, and east of Poke-O-Moonshine Mountain and continuing northerly to the vicinity of the village of Keeseville and the city of Plattsburgh, all of the aforesaid taking....

...not to exceed a total of three hundred acres of state forest preserve land, nor from constructing and maintaining not more than twenty-five miles of ski trails thirty to two hundred feet wide, together with appurtenances thereto, provided that no more than five miles of such trails shall be in excess of one hundred twenty feet wide, on the north, east and northwest slopes of Whiteface Mountain in Essex county...

...nor from constructing and maintaining not more than twenty-five miles of ski trails thirty to two hundred feet wide, together with appurtenances thereto, provided that no more than two miles of such trails shall be in excess of one hundred twenty feet wide, on the slopes of Belleayre Mountain in Ulster and Delaware counties....

...and not more than forty miles of ski trails thirty to two hundred feet wide, together with appurtenances thereto, provided that no more than eight miles of such trails shall be in excess of one hundred twenty feet wide, on the slopes of Gore and Pete Gay mountains in Warren county...

...nor from relocating, reconstructing and maintaining a total of not more than fifty miles of existing state highways for the purpose of eliminating the hazards of dangerous curves and grades, provided a total of no more than four hundred acres of forest preserve land shall be used for such purpose and that no single relocated portion of any highway shall exceed one mile in length.
 
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